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Teams Rarely Receive Equal Value When Trading An Ace

Every year, rumors of an ace pitcher being moved at the trade deadline gain steam. This year it happens to be White Sox lefthander Chris Sale, who is coming off of his fifth straight all-star appearance and is a frontrunner for the American League Cy Young Award.

Pitchers of that magnitude are rarely moved midseason, but it does happen. The question is: do teams trading that caliber of pitcher at the deadline ever really get equal value back?

We looked back at every deadline deal in the wild-card era (1995 to present) involving an ace-caliber pitcher to find out, measuring the post-trade career wins above replacement (WAR) totals, as estimated by, of the players involved.

Obviously, factors such as contract length, pending free agency status, team record and payroll availability all play a role in such trades. But from a pure, on-the-field baseball standpoint, it’s clear getting an equal return back for an ace in a deadline deal is a tricky proposition based on our findings.

Only trades made in July were considered. Our baseline criteria is twofold. The deal must involve a pitcher who meets the following two criteria: (1) He won a Cy Young Award within the previous three years of the trade or had been an all-star each of the previous three seasons. Sale meets the latter criteria, and (2) He was traded for at least two players who had not yet exhausted their rookie eligibility.

July 28, 1995: Blue Jays trade RHP David Cone to Yankees for RHP Mike Gordon, RHP Jason Jarvis and RHP Marty Janzen

Yankees receivePost-Trade WARBlue Jays receivePost-Trade WAR
David Cone22.1Marty Janzen-0.6
Mike GordonN/A
Jason JarvisN/A
Total: 22.1Total: -0.6

July 31, 1998: Mariners trade LHP Randy Johnson to Astros for RHP Freddy Garcia, SS Carlos Guillen and a player to be named (LHP John Halama,)

Astros receivePost-Trade WARMariners receivePost-Trade WAR
Randy Johnson65.1Freddy Garcia35.7
Carlos Guillen27.7
John Halama5.6
Total: 65.1Total: 69.0

July 26, 2000: Phillies trade RHP Curt Schilling to Diamondbacks for 1B Travis Lee, RHP Vicente Padilla, LHP Omar Daal and RHP Nelson Figueroa

D-backs receivePost-Trade WARPhillies receivePost-Trade WAR
Curt Schilling43.8Vicente Padilla11.3
Travis Lee6.5
Nelson Figueroa2.3
Omar Daal1.7
Total: 43.8Total: 21.8

July 7, 2008: Indians trade LHP C.C. Sabathia to Brewers for OF Matt LaPorta, LHP Zach Jackson, RHP Rob Bryson and a player to be named (OF Michael Brantley).

Brewers receivePost-Trade WARIndians receivePost-Trade WAR
C.C. Sabathia28.9Michael Brantley16.5
Matt LaPorta-0.9
Zach Jackson-0.6
Rob BrysonN/A
Total: 28.9Total: 15.0

July 29, 2009: Indians trade LHP Cliff Lee and OF Ben Francisco to Phillies for RHP Carlos Carrasco, 2B Jason Donald, C Lou Marson and RHP Jason Knapp

Phillies receivePost-Trade WARIndians receivePost-Trade WAR
Cliff Lee27.1Carlos Carrasco10.6
Ben Francisco-0.1Lou Marson1.6
Jason Donald1.3
Jason KnappN/A
Total: 27.0Total: 13.5 

July 31, 2009: Padres trade RHP Jake Peavy to White Sox for LHP Clayton Richard, LHP Aaron Poreda, RHP Adam Russell and RHP Dexter Carter

White Sox receivePost-Trade WARPadres receivePost-Trade WAR
Jake Peavy13.1Adam Russell0.2
Clayton Richard0.1
Aaron Poreda-0.1
Dexter CarterN/A
Total: 13.1Total: 0.2

July 9, 2010: Mariners trade LHP Cliff Lee and RHP Mark Lowe to Rangers for 1B Justin Smoak, RHP Blake Beavan, RHP Josh Lueke and 2B Matt Lawson

Rangers receivePost-Trade WARMariners receivePost-Trade WAR
Cliff Lee22.6Justin Smoak2.6
Mark Lowe-0.3Blake Beavan1.5
Josh Lueke-1.1
Matt LawsonN/A
Total: 22.3Total: 3.0

July 25, 2010: Diamondbacks trade RHP Dan Haren to Angels for LHP Joe Saunders, LHP Patrick Corbin, RHP Rafael Rodriguez and a player to be named (LHP Tyler Skaggs).

Angels receivePost-Trade WARD'backs receivePost-Trade WAR
Dan Haren8.7Patrick Corbin4.0
Joe Saunders1.6
Tyler Skaggs0.1
Rafael RodriguezN/A
Total: 8.7Total: 5.7

July 27, 2012: Brewers trade RHP Zack Greinke to Angels for 2B Jean Segura, RHP Johnny Hellweg and RHP Ariel Pena

Angels receivePost-Trade WARBrewers receivePost-Trade WAR
Zack Greinke21.4Jean Segura4.0
Johnny Hellweg1.6
Ariel Pena0.1
Total: 21.4Total: 5.7

July 31, 2014: Rays trade LHP David Price to Tigers in three-team deal. Rays receive LHP Drew Smyly, 2B Nick Franklin and SS Willy Adames

Tigers receivePost-Trade WARRays receivePost-Trade WAR
David Price9.5Drew Smyly3.3
Nick Franklin-0.9
Willy AdamesN/A
Total: 9.5Total: 2.4

July 30, 2015: Tigers trade LHP David Price to Blue Jays for LHP Daniel Norris, LHP Matt Boyd, and LHP Jairo Labourt

Blue Jays receivePost-Trade WARTigers receivePost-Trade WAR
David Price4.0Daniel Norris0.3
Matt Boyd-0.6
Jairo LabourtN/A
Total: 4.0Total: -0.3

In 10 of the 11 instances an ace was traded at the deadline, the team giving the player away came out on the losing end of the deal. Even if you take out the two David Price deals because so many of the key pieces have careers ahead of them to change the outcome, you’re still left with eight of nine instances where the trading team got nowhere near the value the ace provided in future years. (

NOTE: The Cole Hamels deal from 2015 technically didn't qualify under our parameters, but if you want to include it, Hamels 5.5 WAR with the Rangers since the deal is higher than the three major leaguers the Phillies received combined, although the prospects Philadelphia received are performing well enough they could eventually swing the trade in the Phillies' favor from a WAR perspective.)

Even the one case where the trading team did recoup value—the Mariners in their 1998 Randy Johnson trade—comes with a caveat. The player who put them over the top in making the trade a win for them (Carlos Guillen) largely did so in a Tigers uniform. Johnson, meanwhile, went on to win four more Cy Young Awards after the trade.

It should also be noted that while the Indians were able to get quality players in each of their deals - receiving Brantley for Sabathia and Carrasco for Lee - it has been at least seven years since both trades and the total packages still account for barely half of the WAR the aces provided after the trade, well beyond the three-to-four year window most teams hope for when receiving such a haul. Same goes for the Diamondbacks-Angels deal for Daren Haren, where it has been six years since the deal was consummated and Haren, now retired, still has provided more than twice as many WAR as Patrick Corbin and Tyler Skaggs combined.

The White Sox can trade Chris Sale if they feel it’s the best move for their team. Based on the 20-plus year history of such deals in the wild-card era, though, they and their fans just shouldn’t expect whatever prospect haul they get to match Sale’s production the rest of his career.

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The overall lesson of recent history is if you have the ability to keep the ace, you do. And if you don't and have to trade them, don't expect to see the dividends for a very long time, if at all.

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