Minnesota Twins Top 10 Prospects Chat With John Manuel

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Baseball America's Top 10 Prospects lists are based on projections of a player's long-term worth after discussions with scouting and player-development personnel. All players who haven't exceeded the major league rookie standards of 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched (without regard to service time) are eligible. Ages are as of April 1, 2011.

John Manuel: Welcome to another Twins chat, I think this is year five of doing the org's top 30. Look forward to the questions.

    JAYPERS (IL): How far did Max Kepler fall since last year's list, and were you and scouts sufficiently impressed with his first taste of pro ball? Also, what's the plan for him next year?

John Manuel: Kepler didn't fall far and nearly made the Top 10 again. He has more upside (much more really) than No. 10 Carlos Gutierrez. But I have a feeling this is Gutierrez's last year on the top 10, I think he'll exhaust his eligibility in Minnesota's 2011 bullpen, while Kepler probably won't play full-season ball until 2012. So there's time to be patient with Kepler, who will rank 11-15 somewhere. Our impressions of Kepler have been largely positive so far, but he's really far away from the majors. This year's Top 10 is stronger than last year's, I believe, and that also pushed him down the list a tad.

    Ben (Leland Grove): What's the word on Manuel Soliman? Top 30 material or no?

John Manuel: Certainly is, got considered for the top 10 but he's a little raw for that. He'll be 11-20 range in the Prospect Handbook. For a conversion prospect (he was an IF in the DSL), he's already shown the potential to have three legit pitches and he has a power arm. The org is quite intrigued with him and so are we.

    John (Gary, IN): I couldn't help but notice you have Sano penciled in at 1B on your lineup card. How likely is it, on a scale from 1 to 10, that he'll be manning that position in four years' time?

John Manuel: I'll say 5 or 6; he's a big, big man already. I put him there (a) because there's reason for concern about Morneau's concussions, but I just moved him to DH (b) he's big and (c) Valencia had a solid year and deserved to still be on the lineup in 4 years' time. People have pretty mixed feelings on our future lineups. I'm not a fan of them, but the year we got rid of them, there was quite the out-cry, so they're back. I'm always surprised by the response they elicit.

    Ryan D. (Fort Myers, FL): Interesting ranking on Aaron Hicks at #2. I feel like Revere deserves that spot more so than Hicks. Is this based off of projections?

John Manuel: It's based off many things, Ryan. Let's grade them out tool by tool. Hit tool? Advantage Revere, probably by a full grade though not more if you factor in Hicks' plate discipline. Power? Hicks in a landslide, even though his power is more projection than reality. Arm? Least important tool but again Hicks in a landslide. Defense? Hicks. Speed? Revere, but Hicks is no slowpoke. Hicks has better tools, better size, and Revere's lack of power, for me, limits his upside. His best-case scenario is Juan Pierre or Brett Gardner. That would be a good player. Hicks' upside is considerably higher; Devon White with walks? A better version of Shane Victorino? It's pretty hard to peg, but a good defensive CF who might put up .350-370 OBPs and .450-.475 slugging numbers, and switch-hits? That would be a pretty nice player.

    Ryan D. (Fort Myers, FL): With Denard Span patrolling CF in Minnesota, do you see the Twins using Joe Benson as trade bait? Man, he had one heck of a season.

John Manuel: Best-case, I see Benson replacing Mike Cuddyer in RF in 2012. That's what is in "The Future" section, and I like that scenario. He certainly has a RF arm. He is a player that scouts outside the organization like as well, but he also has a lot of swing-and-miss. Still a lot of risk. He was No. 2 on this list 3 years ago, after 2007, but the Twins think he's right on schedule.

    Joe Benson (Indiana): Do you think I could have been a better quarterback than I have been professional baseball player? I miss football.

John Manuel: He was a running back, and who goes to Purdue for football anymore anyway? With all apologies to Drew Brees and my cousin who went to Purdue.

    Sean K. (Fort Myers, FL): My goal is to have a question answered by the infamous JAYPERS! Does Drew Butera have the front seat to back up Mauer in Minnesota now that Ramos has been shipped off?

John Manuel: He has to fend off Jose Morales, who was often injured in 2010, to secure that role for the future, and it sure would be nice if he, you know, got a hit every once in a while. That said, with Ramos traded, there's not another future catcher in the system. Danny Rams has tons of power and arm strength — he got raw 70 grades for power and arm when he was drafted in the 2nd round — but the other parts of his game remain unrefined, and he probably fits better defensively at first base.

    JAYPERS (IL): What does Pat Dean best project as, and did he crack the top 20?

John Manuel: Pat Dean didn't miss the top 10 by much and got a lot of support in and out of the organization. He got some Glen Perkins body comps during the spring but the Twins don't like that comparison as much as the amateur scouts I talked to did. He's got a chance to move real quick — wouldn't be shocked if he goes to Fort Myers for 2011, and he's the organization's top LHP prospect.

    Tim (Pittsburgh, PA): Which players from the 2010 Twins draft class do you see making a big impact in the 2011 minor league season?

John Manuel: Eddie Rosario is the guy, outside the pitchers, that the Twins are most excited about in the short-term. Just what they need — another athletic outfielder with a chance to hit. They are quite excited about Rosario, who's also in that 11-18 or so range, depends on how it shakes out, still shuffling guys around in there. I think the Twins are more enthused about Rosario than his fellow Puerto Rican Angel Morales because of Rosario's greater polish and hitting ability. Another guy to watch for 2011 from the '10 draft is another OF, Nate Roberts. Our reports on him as an amateur were mixed, but he raked at Elizabethton, and to do that with wood answers some questions. We have heard concerns about his defense and it sounds like he's a LF, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had a big year in Beloit in 2011.

    Kelly (St. Cloud, MN): Could you give us a rundown on Martire Garcia? Thanks!

John Manuel: Kelly, Garcia's been in the system a while and just got to full-season ball this year, where he didn't fare well. That said, he's a lefty with arm strength; we have reports he's scraped 94-95 mph. He pitches off the fastball, which is a strongsuit, and he's got a little slide piece. Right now, he's on the Twins changeup regime, that's what the org takes pride in, teaching the changeup. He'll head to Beloit next year and is a 21-30 range kind of guy. He is yet another example of the organization's increased Latin American efforts.

    Ryan D. (Fort Myers, FL): Trevor Plouffe seemed to have picked it up a little bit this year in AAA. How does he project in the Twins future? He does not seem like a guy that fits any one spot.

John Manuel: I've never been a big Plouffe guy; I've never talked to anyone who was wowed by him. I think the Twins would love it if he were ready to replace J.J. Hardy at shortstop — he could be a cheaper version of Hardy, and I think he's a somewhat similar player, but 2010 Hardy might be Plouffe's ceiling. He has just enough power to be dangerous and has never been a guy that draws a lot of walks. The Twins seem to want to add more speed to their lineup, and Plouffe would not be an answer for that, either. I think he fits for the Twins if he hits, but if he doesn't hit, there's just not enough there otherwise. He'd fit better as a utility guy if he ran better or hit lefthanded.

    Ryan D. (Fort Myers, FL): How would you rank the Twins system compared to the other organizations? They seem to have a solid 1-10. How is the depth in 11-30?

John Manuel: Lots of Ryan D. questions. I'm trying to be judicious but there are a LOT of them. Ryan, I think the Twins' depth is worse than their top 10. The top 10, I agree, is pretty solid, though you do have three guys on there in Sano, Salcedo and Arcia who have little full-season expierence if any. The 11-20 range is pretty good, but the 21-30 range doesn't look as good as last year's. The Twins didn't see a lot of progression from a lot of their pitchers this year, and that hurts the system's depth a bit, plus the trades they made subtracted prospects (Ramos, Van Mil) rather than adding. So the top 10 to me is better than the depth, and it's a middle-of-the-pack org in terms of talent, probably in the 13-17 range.

    Ryan D. (Fort Myers, FL): Brian Dozier had a pretty solid season between low and high-A. How does he project into the Twins future? He seems to have the skills and leadership qualities that could land him as a utility infielder?

John Manuel: Dozier is an organizational favorite; I'm not done writing 21-30 but right now he's at the back of the 30. He doesn't have a great tool but he makes contact, draws some walks, makes all the routine plays and can play some SS. He has just enough speed and versatility to be in that future utility discussion, even though he doesn't hit lefthanded, and to Gardenhire's liking, he led the Fort Myers team with nine sac bunts . . .

    DH (PA): Who has the better bat, Sano or Gary Sanchez?

John Manuel: Answered this in the Yankees' chat, but Sano's bat is better at this stage and projects better down the road, according to the reports we've got. Sanchez plays a premium position, though, and appears to have every chance of staying there, so to me he's the better prospect. Sanchez has exciting offensive potential but Sano is a monster at the plate.

    Jake (Chicago, IL): Hi John! Thanks for taking the time to chat today! Can you rank these pitchers? Gibson, Pineda, Sale, Montgomery, and Matusz

John Manuel: Interesting group. Matusz has shown he can make adjustments in a major league rotation, in the AL East no less, so he'd be 1 for me. I'd go Matusz, Montgomery, Sale (believe in him as a starter), Gibson, Pineda. Pineda has the biggest arm of the group but also has injury history and less pitchability. Five guys who should win a lot of games and put up nice xFIPs over the next few years . . .

    Chris (Chicago): You listed Carlos Gutierrez as the Twins future closer. Would Chad Qualls be a good comp. as far as ceiling for him?

John Manuel: That's not bad at all as far as future results go. I don't know if scouts would make that connection because Qualls is a good bit bigger and taller than Gutierrez, but a sinker-slider guy who gets 2.5 or so groundouts to airouts and is a durable middle guy who can close in a pinch? Yeah, that fairly describes Gutierrez.

    Rick (Hamilton): Do you see Gibson adding some velo as he matures, or has he hit his ceiling in this regard? Who do you like moving forward, Gibson (Min), Drabek (Tor) or Jaypers (Il). Gibson seems to have the best seconday pitches, Drabek has the blazing fastball but Jaypers gets points for hype because he shows up in every chat.

John Manuel: Jaypers apparently doesn't need a publicist, he's got us. As for Gibson, I think he's hit his ceiling to be honest. He's 23, and scouts have been projecting more velocity out of him for years, and it just hasn't happened. His fastball will be more notable for its sink, angle (subject of my next column!) and location than for its velocity. I think I like Drabek a bit better; only a year older, has his Tommy John out of the way already, has shown durability and good stuff since then. One other small factor for me is, as the strike zone gets called more vertically, that will help guys like Drabek, who work four-seam and curveball, up and down, versus guys like Gibson who work two-seam and slider, side to side, in and out.

    Ryan D. (Fort Myers, FL): Is Dan Osterbrock on your top 20? He had a remarkable season. Is he in New Britain to start 2011?

John Manuel: With a good spring, he could be there, along with Liam Hendriks and Bobby Lanigan, among others. I don't have him in the 20, he's currently on the outside looking in for the 30 because he doesn't have a plus pitch and his fastball is fringe-average at best. But we'll see when all the writeups are done.

    Mike C. (Lynchburg, VA): thanks for the chat! Where would you put Gibson on your personal top 100, top 10 or 20 I'd assume? Doesn't Gibson sound a lot like Carl Pavano, a man he might eventually replace in the Twins rotation?

John Manuel: I haven't started putting my own personal top 50 together yet, but I would imagine Gibson will be pretty high. He's not the highest ceiling guy on that list but I am pretty sure he's going to be no worse than a No. 4 starter and should be better than that. I'm probably most impressed that he wound up logging 150-plus innings this year, that's really impressive for a guy in his first season, especially a guy who fell in the draft due to injury concerns.

    DH (PA): What chance does Sano have to stick at 3B? Would you say that already hitting 230lbs. as a teenager makes it unlikely?

John Manuel: Yes, yes I would. Doesn't mean he can't stay there, but the Twins have no idea when he's going to be done growing. It sounds like he has the tools to play third right now, but will he if he gets to Troy Glaus size? Or if he gets bigger than that? Just too much projection right now to say with any certainty.

    Chris (Chicago): Outside of the top 3, are there any future all-stars in the Twins system?

John Manuel: Joe Benson has that kind of ceiling. I'm not sure how many future all-stars spent five full years in the minors and got 2000 at-bats in the minors like Benson might wind up getting, but he has big upside. Revere also should be able to put up some .300-plus batting seasons to get some all-star nods. I like Revere, just think he has less upside than the guys ahead of him because of the lack of power, but he can really hit. Then you're looking at the younger guys, such as Salcedo and Arcia, who could really be something special, but it's harder to project on them than it even is on Sano. Sano has 80 raw power; that merits the special attention he gets.

    Kevin (Jersey): John, I know that Jim Callis has been singing Gibson's praises since last year in the Q and As on Baseball America. But does Gibson have the stuff to be a true strikeout, #1 type stopper in a rotation?

John Manuel: Jim has been singing Gibson's praises since Gibson was in high school, actually. I'll answer by saying probably not; but does Cliff Lee have the power stuff you think of as a No. 1 guy? Not really; his command is top of the scale, that's why he's a No. 1. It's good stuff and great command. Lee's fastball for most of his career has averaged 89 mph or so; the last two years, when he's become uber-Cliff, it's averaged 91. Gibson can do that, so that's what he's looking at; with average fastball velo, his command will have to be pretty spectacular. Not impossible, but not likely. That's why his ceiling is more reasonably that of a No. 2 or No. 3 starter. In the Handbook, our profile chart at the front says, a quality No. 2-No. 3 starter is a guy that scouts consider a 55-59 OFP grade (overall future potential), a C+ prospect in other nomenclatures. A 60-plus guy, a Jon Lester type, is a No. 2 on a championship team. I think Gibson falls more in the former grade than the latter, but again, he's a pretty sure thing.

    MJ (Valpo): Boy, back in 2007 I sure thought I'd be seeing Tyler Robertson starring for the Twins in the big show by now...what has happened to this guy?!?!? Is he now just a lefty situational-type reliever and nothing more?

John Manuel: Robertson is a pretty interesting case. He had a strong '07 season, the year we picked Nick Blackburn, the year the Twins really didn't have a No. 1 prospect. In retrospect it should have been Denard Span, who had a pretty modest minor league career, then had a big August '07, had LASIK and got a lot better. We took a lot of heat over Blackburn, who had two solid-average MLB seasons, then had two awful months in 2010 and an overall below-average year. Robertson, meanwhile, just hasn't had anything really go right since then. He lost velocity, probably due to the stiff arm action that we wrote about that year, when we nevertheless ranked him No. 4. Robertson was going to go back to the long-toss program he used in high school last offseason, so I was excited to see what would result from that, and we did have reports he scraped the 90/91 mark this year, but he got hammered at Double-A and moved to the bullpen. I believe he is a lefty specialist at best at this point, and in a small sample size, he did all right in that role in the AFL. Not going to be in this year's top 30, at this point.

    Dave (Atlanta): Two of the Twins European prospects, Russian LHP Andrei Lobanov and Czech OF Matej Hejma, had nice seasons. Is either a legitimate prospect?

John Manuel: Neither is top 30 caliber at this point, Hejma seems a lot closer. I like Lobanov as a potential lefty reliever but that's his ceiling, whereas Hejma has some athleticism and the early returns on his hitting ability are positive. Lobanov's velocity usually sits in the mid-80s, tough to see that working at higher levels. He does have a bit of a loose arm, so maybe there's more in there.

    Ben (Leland Grove): Chris Parmelee and Angel Morales - at this point, would you still consider them legit prospects, or suspects?

John Manuel: Morales is a prospect still. Parmelee . . . well, they protected him on the 40-man roster, and he did make some progress there. I can tell you the outside organization sources are pretty mixed. It's not a great body, and you'd like to see more power for the 1B profile, but he can hit, and that's what got him drafted in the first round in the first place.

    Dave (Atlanta): Were the Twins close to signing DeAndre Smelter? Would he have made the top 10?

John Manuel: Not too close and no, he's quite raw for the top 10. Sounds like Smelter's going to hit and pitch at Ga. Tech and will be very interesting to watch when he goes back into the draft. He's athletic and quick-armed, but I got the sense that he wasn't a guy the Twins made a strong run at. He made it known he was very comfortable going to college.

    JAYPERS (IL): Should we write off Deolis Guerra at this point?

John Manuel: No, you should have at this point last year. That is one frustrating guy. Think about how the Twins must feel about it . . . a 6-foot-5 guy with a power frame who won't pitch off his fastball. Yuck.

    Mike (Toronto): What did Ben Revere do to you? You kept him out of the top 100 with your low ranking last year and might do the same this year. He's the Twins best hitter, has great speed, and (despite the arm) isn't a bad fielder. Shouldn't that get him higher than #5?

John Manuel: No, Mike. I like Ben Revere just fine, but he has some real holes in his game. First off, he does have great speed, but it doesn't play at an elite level yet. He was 36-for-50 this season on stolen bases, and that's in line with his career line, 73 percent success rate. You'd like to see that improve up to around 80 percent, especially for a guy whose game is predicated on speed. And he just has no power; 15 extra-base hits this year. He could be Juan Pierre; he also could be Joey Gathright, or something in between. His inability to consistently drive the ball hurts his prospect status and limits his ceiling. Joe Benson, honestly, is nearly as fast and has much better tools in defense, arm speed and of course power. If Benson's a 45 or 50 hitter, he's a better big leaguer than Revere unless Revere is an Ichiro-type of hitter and more efficient basestealer.

    Katie (FL): Should we be hopeful about Matt Bashore?

John Manuel: Not until he throws off a mound in a game that counts. Two surgeries in two years is one too many.

    Jake ((Davey Jones') Locker(bee)): Is Adrian Salcedo being groomed as a reliever or will he start in Beloit? Also, what's the good word BJ Hermsen and his prospects of becoming a top prospect?

John Manuel: Salcedo will start; he relieved to keep his innings count from getting over 100. Hermsen is the same guy he was last year in terms of his ceiling; he's a big-bodied strike thrower, a durable innings-eater, from the same vein that brought us Blackburn and David Bromberg.

    MJ (Valpo): Curious to know why you guys keep ranking Aaron Hicks so high on these lists? First, for a guy being all "tooled up" he sure hasn't translated that into any real impressive production after three years now. Second, if his best present tool is a strong throwing arm, that should not be good enough to warrant a #2 spot in a very deep and talented minor league system like the Twins have. Why would he rank ahead of someone like Joe Benson and Miguel Sano? Just b/c he draws some walks?!?

John Manuel: As I've said before, I don't see it as a "very deep and talented" system. It's fine, but I wouldn't use those words of praise, not for a system that didn't have much going on at the upper levels. Hicks had an .829 OPS this year in the Midwest League; the average was .717. He was repeating the league but still played there as a 20-year-old. So he produces, in my mind that's impressive production. The Twins have taken it slow with him, but I think you protest too much here. Joe Benson has similar tools but has moved just as slowly and has less hitting ability, though more power. They are similar; you could certainly rank Benson ahead of Hicks, but I chose Hicks, and I think it's easy to argue that point. His arm's a 7 if not an 8, so that's why it's his best present tool. Sano, as I've stated, there's so much unknown there, 3 was as high as I could go with him.

    Ryan D. (Fort Myers, FL): I was surprised not to see the 2009 Twins minor league POY David Bromberg on the top 10. He's a beast. Why didn't he make the list and where is he 11-20?

John Manuel: Bromberg may have been a victim of poor teams at Double-A and Triple-A in terms of some of his results. I think we've all been swayed a bit too much by the gaudy strikeout numbers he put up in the lower levels. He's not a strikeout pitcher, though, he has a good curveball but it's not a snapdragon, and he doesn't have big-time velocity. He's more the kind of back-of-the-rotation starter type the Twins have churned out in recent years. They have compared him to Blackburn every year that I've discussed Bromberg, and he has that type of ceiling.

    Karl of Delaware (Georgetown, Delaware): Who are some of the hot Twins prospects that will be with Beloit opening day?

John Manuel: Beloit could be interesting. I would anticipate seeing Appy League graduates such as Oswaldo Arcia, Adrian Salcedo, Manuel Soliman and Daniel Santana there, as well as Eddie Rosario and Danny Ortiz, another Puerto Rican outfielder. On the mound, I'd expect Logan Darnell to be there from the '10 draft class; plus Martire Garcia and B.J. Hermsen and possibly Michael Tonkin and Blayne Weller.

    Jeff (Duluth, MN): Hi John, Last spring training I was watching a few of the minor league spring training games, 3 going on at a time, and Terry Ryan was next to me and my wife. We started talking about Sano, Polanco, and Kepler. He gave absolute rave reviews about Kepler. You could really tell he was high on him. Is his ceiling higher than Sano, Benson, Arcia?

John Manuel: That must have been a treat. I think Kepler's ceiling is pretty high but not higher than Benson or Sano. Probably higher than Arcia's, but he's so much less physical. And then there's the matter of him being from Germany, while Arcia is from a baseball country like Venezuela. Kepler just has so much further to go and so much less experience. Last year we jumped Kepler into the top 10 at No. 10; while he ranked lower this year, that doesn't mean he went backward as a prospect. He's just going to need a lot of time to develop, and he's trying to become one of the first hitters from Europe signed out of high school to be a big leaguer. Alex Liddi of Italy will probably beat him there but there's not really a precedent for what Kepler is trying to do, that's my point.

    Bryan (San Francisco): Hey John, have you heard anything on Dakota Watts? I heard rumors of upper-90s fastball and wanted to see if they were true. Thanks!

John Manuel: We had him as Best Fastball in last year's Draft Report Card along with Billy Bullock and Ben (ow, my arm) Tootle, sitting 93-95. This year's reports do have Watts touching better than that, I've heard a 98, and he'll be in the 30.

    Jon (Peoria): How much excitement should there be about either Tom Stuifbergen or BJ Hermsen?

John Manuel: They're quite similar. Stuifbergen got hurt this year but when healthy he showed the kind of fastball I like — he pitched off it, great feel for it, adds and subtracts from it. Big body, good sink, also apparently has picked up a curveball from his countryman, Bert Blyleven. He's definitely in the 30, back of the 11-20 range guy for me.

    John (Baudette, MN): Because I am stupid, I still believe in Chris Parmelee being a starting OF in the show some day. How wrong am I on a scale of 1-10?

John Manuel: Like a 90, because he's not really going to be an OF. He's mostly a 1B these days and is a poor defender in the outfield.

    JAYPERS (IL): About how many of the top 10 can you envision making your top 100 list?

John Manuel: Probably 5 at most, but I can see up to 7 because of Wimmers' track record and strong start, albeit in a small sample size. Like I said, the Twins have a pretty good top 10.

    Adrian Salcedo (MN): Do you like me or love me?

John Manuel: Probably my favorite current Twins prospect.

    Dave (Tampa): Give us a report on Jorge Polanco please

John Manuel: When you buy the book, you'll have one. That's how it works.

    Joe LeCates (Easton, MD): John, thank you for the chat, and a Happy Thanksgiving to you. What are your thoughts on Niko Goodrum?

John Manuel: As you probably know, Joe, he's a favorite of mine and also Conor Glassey's. You probably didn't know he's a favorite of the Twins' scouting director, Deron Johnson. He's another guy where there's just a lot of projection to do. His best tool also is his arm at this stage. One little item on Goodrum is, his father apparently is just a very large human, proportioned and strong and about 270 pounds, looks like he could play next to Jared Allen or some such. Who knows how big Niko is going to get? Probably too big to stay at short. He's back of the 30 material, raw, will move slowly, but intriguing tools for sure.

    Nick (Secaucus, NJ): Knowing that the Twins promote very methodically, what type of timetable should be expected for Kepler? Also, which of his tools project to grade out highest? Thanks.

John Manuel: Nick, Kepler graduated high school this year, so I see him sticking in extended spring and then moving up to Elizabethtown in 2011, then Beloit 2012. Incidentally, that's what the Twins' timetable was for Hicks, but he took advantage of some roster churn and got to Beloit early in 2009. They say sending him back to Beloit this year was getting him back "on schedule," and of course he did need some work, especially lefthanded. But the Twins take it slow with their guys, and I'll be stunned if they make an exception for Kepler.

    Ryan (Minnsota): Seems to me the Twins had a very good draft in 2009...lots of power arms and good quality pitchers. What are you hearing (other than Gibson) about Bashore, Bullock, Tootle, Stillings, Holbrooks, and Tony Davis?? Projected Big leaguers in that group and what could be the timetable?

John Manuel: Bullock is probably the only other guy there who makes the 30, and Bashore and Tootle have been hurt almost from Day One, so that really cuts into that draft class. Stillings has a chance, Holbrooks flashes some velocity, Davis has a chance, but those aren't big-time guys. I think the '09 draft is a good draft because of Gibson, but the Twins really didn't get many atheltes there and not many position players if any that they are counting on. Dozier might be the best position player they drafted. Their impact from '09 came internationally with Sano, Kepler, Polanco and Santana.

John Manuel: OK, I'm going to have to check out after two hours today. Thanks so much for the questions, I thought there were a lot of good ones. We will have Bill Mitchell's AFL top 10 to take you to the holiday tomorrow, and the next org top 10 comes Monday with Matt Eddy and the Angels. Have a great Thanksgiving.