Independent Leagues Top Prospects Chat With J.J. Cooper
Hey everyone. Welcome to our one and only
indy chat of the year. I look forward to working on and rolling out the
Indy Leagues top prospects list every year and the chat that goes with
it, so thanks for coming out.
Chuck (Wichita): Is Greg Porter going to get
another shot at affiliated ball? He was a man amoung boys. Surely the
Royals could use him at DH and get a lot more value than they got from
Hi Chuck. Being from Wichita I'm guessing
you got to see our Indy Player of the Year a good bit. He was
completely dominant in the American Association and showed that he
should be in line for another shot at Triple-A. His age will make teams
a little more hesitant to sign him, but he's a good fit for a team
looking for a veteran corner outfielder who can also play first (and
Hagan (Charleston, Illinois): Who was the last independent player to make it to the majors and even make some sort of impact, not counting Hochevar?
At least a couple of true indy leaguers
(players who were either orginally signed by indy teams or ended up on
indy teams because no affiliated club wanted them) make it to the big
leagues every year. Brad Ziegler went from indy ball to a pretty
dominating year in Oakland in 2008. George Sherrill has gone from indy
ball to the all-star game and Josh Kinney has pitched in the World
Series. Clay Zavada had a very good rookie year in Arizona this season
and catcher Chris Coste has put together nearly 1,000 at-bats as a big
league catcher even if he didn't make it to the big leagues until he
was 33. And that's leaving off a number of other ex-indy leaguers.
They're very rarely impact players, but there is always a smattering of
indy leaguers who deserve a shot at affiliated ball.
Ryan D. (Moorpark, CA): What ever happened to
Jeremy Frost (St. Paul Saints, 2006)? I know he signed with the White
Sox and played AA, but did he get released?
He wasn't released but he hit six-year minor league free agency and didn't land a new job in affiliated ball.
Bo (KC): How many scouts did you talk to when putting together this list?
As many as I can find who will talk to me
about indy ball, which isn't all that many (usually two or three)—if a
scout is following indy ball closely he isn't going to give away the
names of players he wants to sign so other teams can see this list and
go out and sign his guy. This list is largely put together with the
help of the independent league managers. Before it was wrapped up I
talked to 20 or so people to put together this list.
Alex (Atlanta): Are there any players who would have made this list, but who signed with a MLB team before the deadline?
Good question. I really could have put
together an entirely separate list of players who have signed. Trent
Lockwood, a first baseman in the United League, would have made it for
his power potential, but he just signed with the Yankees. Jason James
has the best swing in indy ball, but the former Rockford Riverhawk just
signed with the Cubs. Daniel Satler, an A's signee, has a good fastball
and a hard slider.
Mitchell (NYC): Are their any Indy prospects that could be on a Top 20 prospects list in a major league system??
No. The best of these prospects would
begin as an org player in an affiliated system with the need to prove
themselves. The No. 1 prospect on this list two years ago, Daniel Nava,
has turned himself into a player with a chance of making it to the
majors, but to do that he's had to hit .354/.450/.558 between high
Class A and Double-A over the past two seasons. And even with that,
he'll be on the back end of the Red Sox Top 30 prospects list I would
Richard (Boston): So I see the redsox signed your top rated player. Is he a legitimate prospect, or just roster filler?
Yeah the No. 1 prospect Reynaldo
Rodriguez has signed with the Red Sox. He's in between those categories
for now. Rodriguez stood out in the Golden League as a hitter with a
plan at the plate with plenty of athleticism. He'll have a chance to
show what he can do in Columbia this winter and then he'll go to spring
training looking to make a full-season roster. If he can find a
long-term position (a corner outfield spot perhaps) he has the bat to
try to follow in Daniel Nava's footsteps.
Jon (Peoria): How would you compare the depth
of possible affiliated-ball prospects this year with past years? How
many this year would you say have a legit chance of reaching the majors
if they were signed by somebody?
It's a thinner group this year, something
that I kept hearing from scouts and managers throughout the year. In
past years the top couple of prospects were pretty easy to pick out.
This year there are a lot of prospects who could have slotted anywhere
from No. 5 on this list to No. 30. Beyond the 10 more names I listed,
there are at least 10 more players who could have just as easily made
the list. There's a lot of depth, but less "why is that guy in indy
ball" guys than there have been in past years. As far as making it to
the majors, if one or two guys from this list ends up making it, I'd be
happy with that. You have to remember that anyone who makes this list
has had multiple opportunities to be signed by a scout—coming out of
the draft, then while playing in the independent leagues. When ranking
players for this list it comes down to projecting players who are young
enough to still develop in affiliated ball and talented enough to put
up numbers once they get to affiliated ball. Even in a good year, most
of the top 10 indy prospects will get signed, have some success but
then top out at Double-A or so. If one or two of them can show they
have the talent to get to the big leagues after being overlooked out of
the draft, then overlooked through an entire independent league season
that's a pretty big success story.
Tom (Florida): Is there any Indy that has a lock on promoting eventual major leaguers?
No. If you are looking for the league
with the most big leaguers it would be the Atlantic League, but most of
those players are ex-big leaguers or ex-Triple-A players who sign with
an Atlantic League club as veteran minor leaguers, then sign with an
affiliated club to get back into Triple-A. Ruben Sierra, Rickey
Henderson, Brendan Donnelly, Curtis Pride and Mike Rivera are just a
few of the examples.
Josh G (Sacto, CA): Of these guys who is the most likely to be signed by an mlb team?
Rodriguez has already signed so that's an
easy answer for me. Before it's all done I'd expect at least five to
seven of these players will be signed. Of last year's unsigned players
No. 1 Mike LaLuna spent the whole year with the Tigers' New York-Penn
League club, No. 2 prospect Seth Loman slugged .519 between low Class A
and high Class A, No. 5 prospect Jon Hunton went 6-4, 2.92 between high
Class A and Double-A, No. 7 prospect Santos Hernandez was 6-2, 2.54
between low Class A and high Class A and honorable mention RHP Paul
Phillips made it to Triple-A and is pitching in the Arizona Fall
League. So all in all about half of last year's list went on to have
success in affiliated ball this year. Every one of the top 10 prospects
in 2007 ended up signing with an affiliated club, but of that group,
Daniel Nava, Kane Simmons and Travis Risser are the three still having
in affiliated ball two years later with Nava clearly the standout of
JAYPERS (IL): Is Joey Metropoulos anything to get excited about? What's the skinny on him?
What would a BA chat be without Jaypers?
Metropoulos has some of the best power in indy ball as he showed by
hitting some moonshots at Southern Illinois. He can play a corner
outfield spot or first base and he has already had some success in the
minors. But there are concerns that despite his power he can be pitched
to by good pitching, which makes it hard to project him as a Double-A
player right now, which is the logical spot for him as a now
Jon (Peoria): I realize this isn't a
prospect-related question, but do you foresee much movement among teams
this offseason? Are there any leagues in danger of shutting down?
This has definitely been a difficult year
for indy ball in general. Attendance was down around minor league
baseball, but indy ball may have been affected more than anywhere else.
There were a lot of rumors floating around about franchises moving
between leagues, but for now it looks like everything has settled down.
The American Association has announced it will have the same 10 teams
again next year which cools down some of the rumblings that Fort Worth
would head to the United League. Rockford has already announced they
will join the Northern League next year and the Golden Baseball League
has announced its expanding to Hawaii. I'm not going to speculate on
any leagues shutting down because a) it could get me sued and b) it's
not fair to leagues trying to figure out ways to keep things going in
2010, but there are definitely leagues that are facing difficult
JP (Lou): Risser is a FA I believe...released this year..no appearances in affiliated ball in 09.
Thanks JP you are correct.
Joe (IL): Stout's name is Ross, not Russ.
Thanks Joe and it has been corrected in
the story. Stout is one of the better pitchers in indy ball. He's not
overpowering (86-89 mph fastball) with a good curve and changeup but he
has a feel for pitching. That's the kind of stuff that has given him a
lot of success in indy ball but it also the kind of stuff that
struggles to get a contract with affiliated ball. Scouts usually want
to see a better fastball before they sign an indy guy, but if anyone
can do it based on pitchability, Stout's one of the top candidates.
mike (sacramento): A's have a ton of depth, but where does mike benacka fit in?More roster filler or could he get an mlb shot next yr?
I'll be interested to see if his name
comes up when we're working on the A's Top 30. Benacka was No. 4 on
last year's signed indy prospects list. As we noted back then his
fastball won't blow anyone away, but his changeup is such a good pitch
that he has been able to dominate without dominating velocity. It's
hard to argue with the results—he struck out 90 in 79 innings while
going 3-1, 2.61 with no home runs allowed between Double-A Midland and
Triple-A Sacramento. It wouldn't completely shock me if he got a shot
at some big league time next year, although his command could still use
JAYPERS (IL): Could you give us the rundown for Mr. Cub's namesake? Thanks, JJ.
Ernie Banks (no relation) put together
one of the best seasons in indy ball with a dominating year in the
Frontier League. But Banks' biggest hurdle to getting back to
affiliated ball is his makeup. He was suspended twice by the Wild
Things and eventually they traded him away in the middle of a
.353-24-75 season. I talked to several managers who said they were
offered him for nearly nothing and they turned it down because of their
worries about his makeup. That's the kind of thing that will keep an
affiliated club from signing a player. On the field Banks has good
power and can center the ball, but there were some worries that he has
a slider-speed bat that wouldn't succeed against better velocity.
Steve (Seattle): What do you know about new Florida Winter Baseball League?
I hear they open the season Oct 30th.
It's going to be an interesting league
because it will be a mix of indy ball players and lower level
affiliated players, which is something you very rarely see mix together
in the U.S. The financials of making a league work in the
baseball-saturated Florida market is tough but the league will be
interesting to keep an eye on.
Karl of Delaware (Georgetown, Delaware): From
a disadvantaged backround Charlton Jimerson apparently did everything
right and developed into a mid-level prospect with the Astros. He hit
pretty well last year in the independant league. Any chance he gets
back on the organized baseball track?
Jimerson had a very good season in the
Atlantic League. He's definitely got a shot at getting back to another
club as a Triple-A player. It just comes down to the right opportunity
coming along. John Manuel, Chewdini's biggest fan in the BA office, is
hoping to see that happen.
Roy (Phoenix): We can put a man on the moon
but we can't figure out a way for Isaac Hess to play Organized
Baseball? That just doesn't make sense to me. Can't you people find
some do-gooder lawyer out there who can make this happen?
It's tough. In fact there is a lawyer
working pro bono to try to help Hess out on this very topic. The
concerns teams have revolve around the possibility of Hess making a
claim that his hip was injured by pitching. And there appears to be no
way that Hess can craft an air-tight waiver that acknowledges he's
aware of the risk. The best hope for now seems to be if Hess can get an
insurance policy that would cover any potential lawsuit down the road
(even if Hess doesn't plan to every sue anybody). On the mound, there's
little question that he's shown that he deserves a shot.
Sean (St. Louis): Former MLB player Mac Suzuki
dominated the Golden league as a reliever this year to the tune of a
76/13 K/BB in 49.1 IP how did he not make the All-Indy League team over
You could definitely make an argument for
Suzuki. Simas picked up 27 saves and was very effective in the most
veteran indy league, but you make a very good argument Sean.
Magic Mike (New York, NY): Thanks for taking
my question. It is a three part question. How come Bryan Sabatella can
make the list as the #3 prospect in 2008, not get signed, and play in
the Independent leagues again this year, and not make the list. Why do
you think he couldn't get a shot during spring training in affiliated
ball this past spring? Is there something someone at BA has heard about
him that would make a team not want to at least give him a shot during
I haven't heard anything in particular,
although Satabella's lack of power this year (two home runs in 400
at-bats) probably played a part in him staying in indy ball. Last year
he was a plus runner who also showed some pop. Back when I ranked him
in 2008 there were a couple of concerns that his bat was solid but not
special because of his bat speed. This year he has a solid but
unspectacular year that helped feed into those concerns, which is why
he wasn't back on the list.
brett (vestal,ny): Do the mlb scouts pay real attention to this list?
Teams will at least take a glance at it.
Some teams don't spend much time scouting indy ball, so the list is a
quick way to get some names to check out.
Sean (St. Louis): Alberto Rolon looks like he
has some pretty bad numbers, can you tell us what he throws that
allowed him to get a honorable mention on the prospect list?
Yeah, his numbers kept him from being a
top 10 guy, but I got reports he showed an 89-90 fastball that touched
92 mph and showed good life and a tight slider. He probably needs to
stay in indy ball and keep refining his command but his stuff is pretty
Alex Byrne (Depere): Do you think a team will sign Adam Frost and if so, what level do you think he would be assigned or reach?
I'd expect to see him signed and he's
young enough to still be sent to Class A. The big question with him is
where would he play? He could stick at shortstop or be a utility
infielder but there's some thought that his speed would play best in
Sean (St. Louis): Former BA Indy League
"prospect list maker" Shawn McGill had a very solid season in the AMAS
(slightly above average power and contact rates and great walking
ability), although his slash lines don't stand out, is he a definite to
stick at catcher? Do you think he'll get/deserve another chance after I
believe the Cubs signed him at the beginning of 2009 although he never
officially played a game with them.
McGill is one of the most athletic
catchers in indy ball and one that multiple people have told me
wouldn't be out of place with another spring training invite. McGill
was at spring training last year but did not make it through the final
roster cuts. He doesn't have the power scouts would like to see, but
his athleticism and solid work behind the plate would make him a solid
signing for a club looking for a catcher.
Stephen (St. Paul): Aside from players like
J.D. Drew, who is the most successful modern indy ball alumnus (i.e., a
player who was first discovered playing in an independent league)?
I think Kevin Millar earns the title of
best true indy player. George Sherrill has an all-star appearance, but
Millar's decade of big league success puts him in a class of his own.
Petey Pablo (Carrboro): If you would be so kind so as to mention other indy guys of interest who signed before the deadline, I'd appreciate it...
I've thrown out some names, but here's
some more. Dylan Axlerod has solid stuff. Brandon Kintzler combined a
good cutter with a feel for pitching. Austin Bibens-Dirx showed nasty
stuff before getting signed by the Cubs. James Allbury has a fastball
that's up to 93 mph but is somewhat flat. Edwin Walker (Yankees) showed
he was one of the best lefties in the Northern League before signing.
Joe (Newport News, VA): How would a team
composed of the 20 or so best independent league prospects on your list
fare in the NY-Penn lor Northwest leagues? The Midwest or Sally Leagues?
I really like this question. I get asked
all the time "what level is indy ball" which is a hard one to answer,
but this is a much better way of looking at it. If you put together a
team of the 25 best independent league players they should win a Sally
League or Midwest League title because you'd have so many veterans who
are just much more experienced than Class A players. You could have
Jose Lima, Mac Suzuki, Armando Benitez and Bill Simas toying with
18-year-olds. If you took a team of "indy league prospects" I'd say
they'd struggle because the indy league's 21-to-24 year olds are not
nearly as deep as indy ball's depth of 26-to-30-year-old minor league
Well I better wrap this up to start
working on formatting the Draft Report Cards that will be on the site
beginning next week. Thanks for all the really good questions about the