Cincinnati Reds: Chat
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JAYPERS (IL): Had Zach Stewart remained, where would you have ranked him? Your thoughts on that trade as a whole?
Hey everyone, I'll start this a couple of
minutes early and wouldn't you know it, Jaypers, one of our most
reliable chatters, has the first question in the queue. Stewart would
have been in the mix at No. 1, 2 or 3 (hard to say exactly as I didn't
bear down on him after the season since he wasn't going to rank on the
list). This year was a breakthrough season for him and once that showed
he has a very good chance to be a solid starter and not just a power
reliever. As a whole the trade made no sense to me (although the Reds
don't ask my opinion). Cincinnati was done as a playoff contender for
2009, so why add a veteran at the trade deadline? If Cincinnati was
dead-set on adding an expensive 34-year-old third baseman to the roster
(which seems puzzling considering the team's salary structure) why not
trade for him in the offseason, when the Reds wouldn't have had to pay
a premium in prospects to get the Blue Jays to pay the rest of his 2009
Mike (Tampa): Who would you say is the better defender at the hot corner - Frazier or Francisco?
Frazier. I know he's played very little
over there, but that's his natural position and his good hands at
shortstop should transfer over. Francisco was pretty bad at third base
in Carolina this year with a fielding percentage that would make Mat
Gamel blush. Fielding percentage isn't everything and Francisco has a
cannon of an arm, but his range isn't spectacular and to be a big
league third baseman you have to be reliable which he isn't, at least
Brian (Wisconsin): Last year you labeled Juan Duran as raw. Same story?
He still would make steak tartare look
well done. Injuries kept him from getting consistent work in 2009 so he
didn't get much chance to work on starting to tighten up some of his
rough edges. The biggest thing he needs in 2010 is 300 good at-bats
plus plenty of work in extended spring training.
Lorenzo (Phoenix): Who would you say will end up being a better reliever - Stewart or Boxy?
I think Stewart will stick as a starter,
but he would make a better reliever as well. Nothing against Boxberger,
but Stewart would be the best pitching prospect in the organization if
he was still a Red.
Reed (Cincinnati, OH): Is first baseman Dave Stewart on your radar? Top 30 material?
On the radar, but he's got a ways to go
to make the Top 30. He's got some power potential, but he's a long ways
away from Cincinnati and has several steps to go to climb from being on
the radar to being in the Top 30.
Jude (Maine): Has Kyle Lotzkar's stock fallen since last year? Still a Top 30 guy?
He'll still be in the Top 30 because when
healthy he's got some of the best stuff in the system. That "when
healthy" is a pretty big caveat for someone who didn't pitch at all in
2009 and will likely miss a good bit of 2010 recovering from Tommy John
surgery, but he's still young enough for all of this to be a speed bump
rather than something that derails his career.
Kyle (Oxford): I know we are not supposed to
read too much into the 2013 lineup, but is there a reason Harang and
Arroyo were in the rotation over the younger Volquez?
Please don't read too much into that at
all. It was just because Volquez is coming off of Tommy John while
Arroyo and Harang were healthy and reasonably effective. In reality
it's much more likely Volquez will be on the 2013 Reds, but those 2013
lineups are an artificial artifice where we are supposed to not take
into account contract status, but injury status does play a part in the
Kyle (Oxford): How does Miguel Rojas compare
to Paul Janish and Zack Cozart at similar stages in their development?
Do you think he will hit enough to be a starting shortstop?
He's a better glove than either of them.
There are some in the Reds organization who say he has the best hands
they've every seen, but the bad is well behind those two. Of course at
Rojas' age, both Janish and Cozart were still playing college ball. The
bat will be the big question for Rojas but he showed some very
promising signs this year that he can make adjustments at the plate.
Kyle (Oxford): What's the story with Ismael Guillon?
Coming back from Tommy John surgery which
means he's a long ways away for a guy who's yet to throw a pro pitch.
Like Dave Stewart above, he's on the radar for now. He'll likely make
his pro debut for the AZL Reds next year.
Clooch (VT): Is there any hope for Devin Mesoraco?
The Reds sure think so, but scouts
outside the organization are much more skeptical. Mesoraco continued to
battle injuries—this year it was his wrist—and did show defensive
improvement, but a couple of scouts outside the organization who saw
him in Sarasota said they didn't really see any standout tools at this
point. That's similar to the reports on him from scouts outside the
organization who saw him in the Midwest League last year.
Dave (Pensacola, FL): Indy league refugee Tom Cochran had a strong season in his return to affiliated baseball. Is he a legit prospect?
He has some feel for pitching, but he
doesn't really have any plus pitch that stands out. I have a soft spot
for ex-Indy leaguers, but he's well down the depth chart for the Reds.
Michael Stern (Rochester NY): I've seen where
Heisey has been projected as a regular everyday player, and also seen
reports that he's nothing more than a 4th outfielder. What have you
been hearing from scouts, and how do the Reds view him? And what does
it say about the weakness of the Reds system that their # 4 prospect
might not even be an everyday player?
I've talked to scouts who see Heisey as a
No. 4 outfielder, but I will say that I think part of that is based on
seeing Heisey in short stretches. He does enough things well (and so
few things poorly) that there are a lot of reasons to think he should
be an everyday outfielder down the road, maybe as soon as 2010
depending on how the offseason shakes out. As far as what it says about
the system as a whole, there's no doubt that this system isn't as deep
as it was one or two years ago, but there is an explanation for that.
In the past two years they have promoted Johnny Cueto, Jay Bruce, Drew
Stubbs, Chris Dickerson, Johnny Cueto, Ryan Hannigan, Joey Votto,
Carlos Fisher, Danny Ray Herrera, Paul Janish and Adam Rosales to the
big leagues while trading away Zach Stewart and Josh Roenicke. The
depth in their system, like many, doesn't allow them to instantly
replace a Bruce or Votto with an equivalent prospect. This year the
Reds system has some depth and some intriguing players but less elite
prospects. But then, that's why they were No. 3 in the organization
talent rankings two years ago when Bruce, Votto, Cueto and Bailey were
the top four prospects.
Kyle (Oxford): Do you see any hope for the
perpentually injured pitchers Jordan Smith, Dallas Buck, Darryl
Thompson, Kyle Lotzkar, and Josh Ravin or all they after thoughts at
They're not all after-thoughts, but in
the case of Buck and Thompson time is running out to prove that they
can stay healthy. Ravin doesn't have nearly the feel that those two
have, but like Lotzkar he's young enough that the Reds can have more
patience with his development.
Brandon (Charleston, WV): What's your opinion
on Matt Klinker? He had a bit of a breakout season in 2009. Any chance
he develops into a solid big league starter?
Klinker definitely took a step forward in
2009 as he showed better velocity and a better breaking ball. If he
keeps developing he could be a No. 5 starter or a reliever down the
Michael Stern (Rochester NY): Any hope still
for Mark Pawelek? The former 1st rounder still seems as wild as ever.
But he's still not that old, and he is lefthanded. Can he ever get it
If he wasn't a first-round pick several years ago we wouldn't be talking about him. At this point he's more of an org player.
MJ (Valpo): I've been waiting all season for
some kind of specific update/timetable on the return of Kyle
Lotzkar...so, do you guys have any relevant info. to share? Thanks!
He had Tommy John surgery in May.
Normally it takes 12 months or so to get back on the mound but in
Lotzkar's case it may take a little longer because he was recovering
from an elbow fracture when they discovered the elbow ligament injury.
Expect to see him back on the mound in games in the second half of 2010.
Andrew (Canada): Frazier over Alonso surprised me, In terms of pure upside would Alonso take the #1 spot?
I figured some people would be surprised
by the choice of Frazier No. 1, so I'll try to explain the thinking
that went into it. Frazier's potential at the plate isn't far behind
Alonso's. Alonso projects as a better hitter, but it's not by much. At
this point, Frazier has a much longer track record than Alonso, partly
because the hamate injury wiped out a good bit of Alonso's first pro
season, so that's a minor argument for Frazier—we've seen more of what
he can do. Frazier is a signficantly better runner than Alonso, which
is again a minor point in his favor. But what it really came down to
was Frazier's defensive versatility. Maybe Frazier can stick at second
base long-term or maybe he can't, but there is little doubt he can play
third base in the big leagues if the Reds would put him there
full-time, and he can also be a corner outfielder if needed and even
could play a game or two for them at shortstop if it was needed.
Frazier can fill one of several holes for the Reds going forward.
Alonso on the other hand is an adequate first baseman and there's not
really another position for him, so all of his value is tied up in the
bat. Alonso's bat may be a little better than Frazier's (he has more
raw power and a swing that should hit for a tick more average), but
Frazier's defensive value in my mind outweighed the differences at the
jake (Carlisle): Will Zach Cozart be a better
big league hitter than Paul Janish? Zach's minor league hitting stats
don't seem impressive, and Paul sounds like a better fielder.
Cozart's hitting won't wow you, but he's
a significantly better hitter than Janish and he has been ever since he
signed. Also, while Janish has a better arm, Cozart's range is maybe a
tick better than Janish's. When Janish was signed the question was
whether his bat would ever be enough to be a solid everyday big league
shortstop, at this point the answer to that seems to be no. Cozart has
significantly more chance to hit enough to be a regular long-term. He
has more power than Janish and he's shown the ability to make
improvements to become a better hitter for average and on-base. He'll
still not be an all-star, but he does have a better all-around package
of tools than Janish.
Red Nation (Cincinnati,Oh): No Billy hamilton?
How many 80 runners with 60 arms and 70 to 80 range are playing
shortstop in the minors or majors? He led the GCL in fielding
percentage for shortstops.The reason you don't have him on this list is
because of his batting average,plain and simple.He was tearing up the
GCL early in the seaon and his average plunged when he started switch
hitting for the first time in games.An in-season injury also slowed him
OK calm down Red Nation. I like Billy
Hamilton and did consider him for the Top 10, but we have to dial some
of those grades down. Hamilton doesn't have 70 to 80 range—there were
some scouts who thought he couldn't handle shortstop long-term coming
out of high school. The Reds were happy to see that he showed he can
stick at the position and he looks to be a high-ceiling shortstop
prospect. The reason he didn't make the list had nothing to with his
batting average in the GCL (GCL stats are so erratic to be almost
meaningless) and everything to do with the fact that he's a still
relatively raw 18-year-old who has to decide if he wants to stick with
Dave (Ponte Vedra Beach, FL): What is the
organization's evaluation of LHP Mace Thurman, who performed well at
two stops this past year? His performance so far indicates something
more than a LOOGY.
He may have some potential to develop
into a starter as he has three pitches. He's an interesting guy. He'll
probably be on the depth chart and not in the Top 30 but it wouldn't
shock me if he ended up making it to the big leagues.
Paul Bunyan (San Jose, CA): Looking at the
lineup projection, how realistic is the move of Joey Votto to LF? Or is
it a relative upgrade to the defense Adam Dunn played all those years
I'm pretty confident he could do it. I
saw Votto play left myself when he was at Louisville and he wasn't bad
out there with the arm that reminds you he used to be a catcher. More
importantly then seeing him with my own eyes (I'm not a scout) I talked
to scouts back then who thought he was a better left fielder than first
baseman. Now having said all that, I think it's unlikely that an
organization would ask their best position player to move to a new
position to make room for a rookie—I'm trying to remember the last
time that happened.
Jeff (Pittsburgh): Not a prospect anymore, but
what do you think of the power that Drew Stubbs showed in his brief MLB
stint? Has he legitimately found the power that's been absent for the
last 2 years?
Scouts have always believed Stubbs had
power, even if the stats didn't always show it, so yeah that power
surge wasn't a fluke. A lot of it depends on what Stubbs wants to do.
If he worries about strikeouts, he'll still strike out a good bit, but
he can be an on-base guy with plus speed, or if he's willing to take
some golden sombreros, he'll put up good power numbers with a slightly
winston (Ft Lauderdale): Who is the best shortstop prospect in the organization, not including Janish and Cozart?
I'm not going to rank em for ya (buy the
book!) but Miguel Rojas, Billy Hamilton, Mariekson Gregorius and
Humberto Valor are all intriguing guys. The Reds have plenty of depth
at shortstop, especially when you throw in guys like Chris Valaika
(more of a second baseman), Alex Buchholz (also a 2B) and Junior Arias
(who could end up as a center fielder).
Phil (Chandler, AZ): Is Mike Leake's maximum ceiling Greg Maddux? Five pitches, lots of movement, great defender, etc
No. But then, you could reincarnate Greg
Maddux right now and I wouldn't say he had the ceiling of Greg Maddux
because of how high a ceiling that is to reach. At his best, Greg
Maddux is one of the best pitchers of all time. It's not realistic to
compare anyone as having his kind of ceiling. Maddux and Glavine have
always gotten comped to way too many pitchers because unlike most aces
they didn't have blow hitters away velocity—which meant that any
pitcher with good feel and good but not great stuff could be comped to
them. Leake has good command, but Maddux has 90 command on the 20-to-80
scouting scale and it's impossible to project anyone to equal that.
That being said I do think Leake gets underrated by a lot of people. He
has very solid stuff with great movement and an outstanding feel for
pitching. The biggest worry with him may be the heavy workload he had
David (Florida): Dayne Read for $225,000-What are the Reds plan for him?
He's a good athlete who was a high school
catcher despite running 4.1 to first base. Like Billy Hamilton he tried
switch-hitting, but he's much less comfortable doing it at this point
than Hamilton was. He still needs to find a position and has a ways to
go at the plate, but he's a good athlete with lots of potential.
Ramon (MIAMI, FLORIDA): Your list is top heavy
with guys close to the ML. What are your thoughts on lower level
athletes like Duran, Hamilton, Silva, Bowe. Tools guys that need a
player development system that knows how to develop those types of
players. Any info on LHP Ismael Guillon and SS Humberto Valor?
You are correct in that. There's a big
gulf between the big league ready guys and a large number of young,
toolsy but far away players in low Class A and below. A lot of that can
be explained by the 2008 draft. The first-round pick from 2008 (Yonder
Alonso) is already one of the nearly big league ready guys, they didn't
have a second round pick and the third-round pick (Zach Stewart) has
been traded away. Add into that an injury to fifth-round pick Clayton
Shunick and you can see why there's a little gulf between the two
groups of players and why Dayton struggled in 2009. Cincinnati has a
nice wave of young guys who could rank in the Top 10 next year, but for
guys like Hamilton, Miguel Rojas, Valor, Mark Serrano, Mariekson
Gregorius and others, it's usually better to be cautious than to run
guys up the list before they've had a chance to prove anything.
Doug (McLean, VA): Have injuries to Daryl Thompson made him a non-prospect for the Reds (he is still on the 40 man roster)?
He's still a prospect, but there are
legit concerns as to whether he'll ever be healthy long enough to fully
utilize his impressive talent.
Derrick (Ohio): Why is it that you don't think
Cozart will be able to hit for average? He makes good contact and
certainly isn't afraid to take a BB. If he ends up with average power I
see no reason for him not to be able to hit at least .280 in the bigs.
Cozart's got a career .265 average in two
and a half years in the minors, so thinking he'll hit at least .280 in
the big leagues is asking for some pretty significant improvement from
a player who'll turn 25 next year. I like Cozart's bat more than most
and think he'll draw enough walks to be solid offensively, but I
haven't talked to any scouts or managers who think he'll post
above-average batting averages in the big leagues.
Zane (Columbus): Juan Duran struggled mightily
with his bat last year but is still only 18. What reports have you
heard on him over the last year and what do you expect from him going
The big problem for Duran is he's never
been healthy for a longer than a couple of weeks at a time. Since
signing he's battled elbow and knee problems, partly because of his
rather massive growth spurt. The raw power is extremely impressive, but
he has to stay on the field to start to learn to not swing at every
pitch that crosses the plate.
Kyle Reese (The Future): Not that I'm asking
you to debate ranking styles, but how can Kyle Skipworth be in FLA's
Top 10 and Mesoraco not be with similar stats to this point?
I don't think either should be near the Top 10, so at least you didn't
put Mesoraco there just on draft position like it seems with Skipworth.
I can't answer for the Marlins Top 10
because I didn't rank it, but I will say that it's not all about stats
(although they are an important factor). Both Mesoraco and Skipworth
are still young enough to develop, especially since catchers often take
a while to put it together. When asking around, I couldn't find scouts
outside of the organization who saw Mesoraco "stand out" in Sarasota.
That was a pretty clear answer to me that he wasn't a top 10 guy,
especially when you throw in his two years of unimpressive stats.
Although no one in the Reds organization gives me a ranking of how they
see their farm system stacking up, I feel pretty confident that the
Reds feel much higher about Mesoraco than I did when putting together
the Top 10.
Jon (Seattle): Is Mike Leake at his limit in
terms of his 4 offerings and command? Every time I read a scouting
report on him I see Arroyo, not Maddux like some Reds hopefuls.
If he can be Arroyo, Reds fans should be
very happy. Arroyo has had an above-average ERA+ (thanks B-Ref) in four
of his six seasons as a starter and one of the other two he was dead
average. It's fun to dream on prospects and at BA we love doing it as
much as anyone, but if you can get a solid middle-of-the-rotation
starter out of a first-round pick you did a very good job. I have my
new BA Draft Almanac in my hands here (yes, it's a plug to go buy the
book—it's well worth the purchase). Just picking a year at random, if
you look back at the 2003 draft there were 11 pitchers taken in the
first round, you could argue that two (Chad Billingsley and John Danks)
could end up with better careers than Arroyo. If Leake can equal
Arroyo's career, the Reds will have done well.
Jeff P. (Valparaiso, IN): How does a 26
year-old flyball pitcher become the #8 prospect for the Cincinnati Reds
(Great American Ballpark?)? Historically, I don't think you can find
many (5?) pitchers that make their full-season debut at 26 and become
more than spare parts in MLB?
Maloney was actually 25 when he made his
debut. Among big league pitchers who made their debut at 25 or older
are Tim Wakefield, Anthony Young, Tim Worrell, Ramon Ortiz, David
Purcey and Octavio Dotel. It's not a list that's going to blow you away
(there are a lot of Britt Rheames, Brian Tollberg's and others of the
like on it), but then Maloney isn't a pitcher who will blow you away.
He projects as a No. 4 or No. 5 starter, but because he's nearly big
league ready and has a high likelihood of reaching his ceiling, he
ranks as No. 8. But Jeff you do make a good point—don't be expecting
the world from Maloney, which is a point I was trying to make in my
Raymond (New York): Hi JJ,
Thanks for taking my question
If Mike Minor was not taken at #7 overall by the Braves, would the Reds
have taken him instead of Leake ? Both apparently were seen as low
risk, willing to sign for about slot money, and are not power pitchers.
I think the Reds were more onto Leake but
if Leake was gone, maybe. Personally I like Leake's upside more, but
then, no one is giving me a $5 million draft budget to dole out.
John (Dayton): What can you tell us about the draft pick out of the Puerto Rico Baseball Academy, Juan Silva? Does he have 5 tool potential?
He's an interesting guy. He's a little
pull happy right now but he runs well with some power potential and a
good arm. I'm not going to throw a 5-tool tag on him yet because there
is such a gulf between his potential and his current ability but he's
definitely a guy to keep an eye on over the next couple of years.
Kyle (Oxford): Do you think Danny Dorn will
ever get the chance to hit right handed pitching in Cincinnati, or will
he get lost in the shuffle with Heisey, Dickerson, Stubbs, Frazier,
I think you summed up the problem facing
Dorn. He's a poor defensive left fielder and first baseman in a system
that has a TON of left fielders and first basemen. It's hard to see how
he gets a chance in Cincinnati with all the outfielders and first
basemen who are ahead of him on the depth chart.
Ben (Leland Grove): Do you fault Cincinnati's management for moving Frazier around so often that he hasn't mastered any one position as of yet?
The jury is still out on that one. One of
Frazier's best traits is his ability to adjust to seemingly anything on
the field. He hasn't mastered any one position because of all of the
Reds moves, but at the same time, it has kept him open as a possibility
to fill any one of several holes. Say the Reds decided to move Phillips
to shorstop or trade him (both of which seem unlikely to me) then
Frazier could be tried at second base. If Scott Rolen went down with an
injury, Frazier could be the third baseman. If they need a left
fielder, Frazier could play there as well. Long term this may all be a
minor annoyance for Frazier's career if he gets a big league job and a
regular position to master and thrive at.
JAYPERS (IL): Just how close was Mariekson Gregorius to this list, and what is your assessment of his abilities?
Gregorius showed something when he was
promoted to high Class A Sarasota to fill in when injuries hit. He held
his own despite being two levels above where he should have been and
that confidence carried over to Billings. Gregorius has a great arm to
go with some natural athleticism and good baseball instincts.
Kyle (Oxford): How would you rate the Reds
catching on the whole? I'm not familiar with McMurray but apparently he
has a good glove. Any potential there?
McMurray's got a good glove, but Kevin Coddington, Dayton's other catcher, has a better all around game.
Thanks everyone for the questions. This
is always one of the more enjoyable days of the year for me. We'll have
another chat on Friday with Ben Badler talking about the Astros.