Moderator: Matt Eddy will chat about the Appalachian League prospects at 2 p.m. ET.
Moderator: Thanks for stopping by. One of the more interesting classes of Appy League prospects in some time. Let’s get started.
JAYPERS from IL asks:
At this point, would you award the Mets’ top overall prospect to Flores over Martinez?
For me, it’s still Fernando Martinez. Flores is an intriguing talent,
but let’s see how he performs in full-season ball, dealing with the
grind of playing a full season.
Matt Eddy: Of course,
the chief complaint against Martinez is that he hasn’t gone injury-free
for a whole season. You’re going to have to wait for the Eastern League
Top 20 to get the full dirt on Martinez, but after an uneven start this
season, the 19-year-old batted .275/.359/.462 with 3 HR, 6 2B, 12 BB
and 16 SO in 24 August games.
Tim Leveque (j/k) from Encino, CA. asks:
no Deryk Hooker? Seriously though, what’s missing from his repertoire
to hold him back from a top of the rotation type projection, and/or
inclusion in a top prospect list?
Hooker struck out 55 and walked 14 in 43 Appy League innings, but he
got it done by spotting his fastball, and not with overwhelming stuff.
Scouts saw him as a reliever at the higher levels.
He pitches at 89 and touches 92, and he commands the pitch to both
sides, but he throws across his body, leading to questions about his
delivery and arm action. All of Hooker’s secondary offerings are
below-average — his curveball is a lazy floater that he gets
underneath most times, his slider is a sweeper that moves across only
one plane, and he slows his arm down to throw his changeup.
Lots of Hooker questions, so just to be clear: His across-the-body
delivery and lack of present secondary stuff mark him as a reliever
Ben from Leland Grove asks:
With Beckham on the way up, should Brignac be nervous in the coming years, or do you see him as potential trade bait?
Interesting question, but thankfully for the Rays, it’s one they won’t
have to address for two and a half or three years, when Beckham’s minor
league apprenticeship ends. By that time, the organization will have a
better handle on Brignac’s major league potential. More on Brignac when
we get to the International League . . .
Matt Eddy: If
both Beckham and Brignac develop as expected with the bat, then one of
them could shift to another infield position. But that’s the beauty of
up-the-middle players — often they can slide down the defensive
spectrum to less demanding positions.
Shawn from Houston, TX asks:
Very confused why Garrett Johnson is not on this list. The improvement he made, and his upside warrant a spot.
Johnson, a 6-10 lefty taken by the White Sox from an Arizona high
school in the 29th round in 2006, received some consideration as a
relief prospect. His curveball took the biggest step forward in his
repeat of the Appy League, showing more depth this season. Johnson
pitches at 90-91 mph and he occasionally shows a good changeup, which
fades away from righthanded batters.
Matt Eddy: He’s got a lot of work to do, but after this season, there is hope for his future.
Tom from Atlanta asks:
for the chat, a very interesting list. A couple of Braves questions –
what did the managers (at least those that saw him) have to say about
Teheran? Any idea where he might have ranked if he’d been eligible?
And, David Francis was quite dominant this year, how was he viewed
around the league?
Shoulder tendinitis took a big chunk out of Julio Teheran’s debut
season, but when healthy he showed an explosive 93-96 mph fastball,
with the ability to touch the high 90s on occasion. He showed advanced
control of his power curve and changeup, too, but his command in the
zone was below-average. This would lead to him getting hit around (6.60
ERA) and to his getting down on himself. In that sense, poise is his
biggest stumbling block right now — but hey, he’s 17. Had he
qualified, Teheran would probably have ranked No. 3, right ahead of
Matt Moore, because of his incredible arm strength and plus athleticism.
As with Deryk Hooker, we’re getting a lot of questions about RHP David
Francis, who fanned 69 and walked 17 in 54 innings. The Braves’
12th-rounder this year out of Walters State (Tenn.) CC, Francis hails
from the same Mississauga, Ontario, high school as Braves RHP Jamie
Richmond. He got a late start this season as we waited for his work
Matt Eddy: Francis sits at 90-91 mph, and touches
93-94, and gets high marks for his competitiveness and solid secondary
pitches. His slider features some tilt, but it’s his vulcan changeup,
when thrown hard and with conviction, that functions as his out-pitch.
Instead of a traditional change grip, Francis grips the ball more like
a splitter, but more tightly.
Swig from Boise, ID asks:
How good can Matt Moore be? I’ve heard Scott Kazmir comparisons. Is that type of a ceiling possible for this kid?
Moore’s pitching style compares favorably with Kazmir’s, in that both
lefties feature power fastballs and hard breaking balls. Moore is more
physical, at 6-2, 205, but each of Kazmir’s pitches is at least a grade
Matt Eddy: With his mid-90s heat and hard
breaker, Moore has top-of-the-rotation potential, but he’s so far away
that you may want to hold off on the Kazmir comps for now. Remember,
Kazmir carved up the New York-Penn League in his debut; he didn’t need
to repeat the Appy League, as Moore did.
BL from Bozeman, MT asks:
Hi Matt, thanks for this series of chats. Anything interesting this summer at Burlington other than Herrera, Runion and Cruz?
Two other B-Royals to keep an eye on: RHP Jacob Rodriguez and CF Hilton
Richardson. Rodriguez, a JC product from East Los Angeles, had the best
present stuff on the Burlington staff — even though they used him
exclusively as a piggyback starter. His lively 90-91 mph fastball and
curveball already are solid-average to plus offerings, and he’s just
picking up a changeup. A 22nd-round pick in 2007 who signed in August,
Rodriguez was handed a 50-game suspension in January for failing to
take a drug test. Had he not missed that time, he might have spent
significant time in full-season ball this year.
Richardson is a lefty-hitting, speedy center fielder — though at 6-3,
200 pounds, he doesn’t look the part. The Royals are developing him as
a top-of-the-order type of offensive player, as his power is
Matt Eddy: Burlington’s middle infield
combo of SS Yeldrys Molina and 2B Angel Franco are rangy and
sure-handed, though they’ll need more time to develop offensively.
chris from maryland asks:
Where do u see Wilmer Flores starting the season at next year?
Expect him to follow the Fernando Martinez path, with an assignment to
low Class A Savannah at age 17 to begin his first pro season.
Hotshotschamnp from Minnesota asks:
with only 1 player, in Morales on the list? This seems awfully low
should have been at least 2 or 3 on that list. Jonathan Waltenbury flat
out raked all year long and is not old for his age. He’s better than at
least 1/2 the guys on that list. How could you allow this glaring
Waltenbury did hit well (.319/.382/.540), but to make it to the majors
as a pure first baseman, you’ve got to absolutely rake. League
observers just did not see that in Waltenbury’s future. A third-year
pro out of Ontario, he struggles to pull the ball and to hit lefthanded
pitchers. Though he has impressive raw power (he’s 6-4, 230),
Waltenbury projects as more of a doubles hitter unless he finds a
little more bat speed or quickens his load. He’s a below-average runner
and cumbersome first baseman.
BaseballNumbers from Naperville IL asks:
posting one of the best offensive season’s in the VSL in 2007 as a
17yo, Jose Altuve makes his U.S. debut this year as an 18yo in the
Appalachian League. By my count there were only six players in the
league younger and of those only Flores posted a better OPS. I realize
there’s not a lot of power projection in his 5’5 frame, but it would
seem that he should have slid into this list somewhere…what am I
You’re not missing anything. Altuve is 5-5, 148 pounds and can’t handle
shortstop. He’s the type of scrappy player more commonly seen in
Double-A or Triple-A, but not the majors.
Joe LeCates from Easton, MD asks:
the most impressive number put up by Flores was only 28 strikeouts in
245 AB’s at his age. I know it’s the Appy, but how good is his plate
discipline right now?
Flores’ contact ability (coupled with impressive power) is what stood
out to me, too. Plate discipline will have to be polished against more
advanced pitchers, but Flores’ pitch recognition is already quite good,
as he he has has the hand-eye coordination and reflexes to put all
types of pitches in play.
Matt Eddy: You can see by his
month-by-month walk totals that Flores became more selective later in
the season, and that the higher strikeout totals resulted from his
working deeper counts. As word got around the league about his ability,
Flores began to see a lot more offspeed pitches early in counts. But in
a positive sign, he recognized the pattern and looked offspeed early in
Joe LeCates from Easton, MD asks:
Marte as another young, talented third baseman in the Mets system, do
you see he or Flores starting to learn a corner OF spot, or do the Mets
just wait for Flores to move himself off SS and deal with it then?
Flores will be developed as a shortstop, at least early in his career.
He led all Appy League shortstops in every cumulative defensive
category — total chances, putouts, assists, double plays, etc. And his
fielding percentage was above the league average.
Flores and Jefry Marte (Dominican signee and a top GCL prospect) could
conceivably play the left side of the infield for the Sand Gnats next
season. What’s interesting about Flores’ development at short is that,
according to the Mets, he played mostly third base and outfield in his
native Venezuela, so that the organization had to instruct him in the
finer points of shortstop play in extended spring — things like making
plays in the hole and getting his feet behind him on throws.
Landon from Pittsburgh asks:
dont understand your logic on Beckham over Flores. Flores is a year
younger. Just as athletic. More advanced, and has 35-40 HR potential
and a plus hit tool. Explain why Beckham is ahead please.
One more Flores question . . . Beckham ranked ahead of Flores, just as
the capsule says, because of his true up-the-middle profile. Because
Beckham has major league actions and a strong arm, he’ll have little
trouble sticking at shortstop — and it’s much more difficult for clubs
to find strong hitters at short than it is at third base or on an
Matt Eddy: The jury is still out on
Flores at shortstop, but the consensus was that he lacked the quickness
to play short everyday at the higher levels. Players ranging from David
Eckstein to Jed Lowrie have overcome this stigma to play SS in the big
leagues, it should be noted. But in the case of the Mets, Jose Reyes
will be just 28 in 2011, the most optimistic arrival time for Flores,
so the SS question may be moot.
Matt Eddy: While true that
Flores’ offensive ceiling appears to be higher, Beckham is no slouch.
He’s got the bat speed, and he’s mature enough and coachable enough to
develop into a plus offensive player. He reminded one Appy League
manager of B.J. Upton at a similar stage in his development.
James from Rochester asks:
I noticed you did the Appy League list a couple of years ago and now
you’re back at it? What brought you back, and what makes the Appy
League so cool?
Well James, the Appy League is cool because its truly a developmental
league. You get to see elite talent in its most raw state. For example,
through the years I’ve seen David Wright, Colby Rasmus, Travis Snider
and now Tim Beckham before they were famous — though Beckham seemed to
be quite well-known already by autograph seekers. Perhaps you’ve had a
Jason from Minneapolis, MN asks:
E-Twins had some players who had good years, but were old for the
level. Was that the main reason guys like Waltenbury, Soto and Bigley
missed the list. Which of those three do you see having the most
success at the higher levels?
Of those three Twins, I like Soto best. Despite his age (he’s already
21), Soto has plus power potential and he’s a flexible receiver with a
strong throwing arm and a quick release. He split time behind the plate
in Elizabethton with Danny Rams, a 2007 second-round pick, so his
talents were not on full display. Soto is a quick-twitch athlete,
though he may lack the hand-eye to hit more than .260 to .270. He’s
also a free swinger, so he’ll need to work the count better as he
Matt Eddy: One other E-Twin to monitor is LHP
Dan Osterbrock, the league’s pitcher of the year and the Twins’
seventh-round pick this year out of Cincinnati. He commands his
fastball to both sides of the plate at 87-88 mph, touching 90
occasionally, and his changeup can be devastating. Osterbrock’s
curveball is below-average, but he gets consistent spin on the pitch.
John from Houston asks:
Gilmore’s walk totals have been questionably low but his stats
otherwise so far have been impressive. How do you think he’ll fare at
the higher levels because of this?
Gilmore is geared for contact, inside-outing most inside pitches to
right field. That’s not to say he doesn’t have home-run power — he
does. Gilmore has impressive raw power to left and left-center, but to
get the most out of that power, he’ll have to continue turning on the
inside pitch. This could make for an initial bumpy ride in A-ball, but
he should get straightened out.
Brandon from Nashville, TN asks:
5 SS in the Top 20 … which ones stay at SS if they make it to the majors?
Matt Eddy: Beckham and Noriega are no-doubters. The rest — Flores, Vasquez, Silverio — are questionable.
Brandon from Nashville, TN asks:
How much of the rankings are based on their performance this year and how much is based on future expectations? 50/50?
We do factor in performance, but it’s raw ability and profile — both
offensive and positional — that carry more weight. Does a player’s
swing and approach figure to translate into power? Does he have the
athleticism and quickness to handle a middle-of-the-diamond position?
These types of players — that is, those with power, speed and/or
defensive ability — traditionally fare better as they move up.
Ponny from SF asks:
Teheran is a one of Braves’ best pitching prospect. Would he have made
the list if eligible? And how serious his injury is?
Matt Eddy: Teheran is slated to attend instructional league, so the tendintis is viewed as a minor setback.
JH from Berkeley asks:
mentioned Fuentes and Rivero in your writeup of Mario Martinez. Can you
talk a little more about them? Were they close to making the cut?
RF Jose Rivero was a July 2 sign from 2006 who has a chance to hit for
average and power in the future. A righthanded batter, he got off to a
hot start in the Appy League, but tailed off. Rivero has plus baseball
instincts and very strong tracking skills in the outfield, to go with a
plus arm. He’s not much of a runner. Rivero would have ranked somewhere
in the 21-30 range.
Matt Eddy: C Juan Fuentes caught 19
games in the AZL in 2007, and that was the extent of his catching
experience coming into the year. As such, his defensive tools are
unrefined. He’s a below-average receiver with an average arm and shaky
footwork, but he’s got great makeup and has shown some aptitude for
blocking. Fuentes signed as a third baseman in 2004, so he’s already
22. It’s as an offensive player that he excelled — he has very good
hands at the plate and he can drive the ball to all fields.
Enrique Salas from Carabobo, Venezuela asks:
Thanks for the chat, How good can Luis Cruz be? And, Could you give us your evaluation of Kyle Greenwalt?
Cruz, the Astros’ ninth-round pick out of Puerto Rico, received some
consideration as a pitchability prospect. He’s 5-9, 170 and sat at 88
mph, so he didn’t overpower batters. Cruz’s deceptive changeup was his
go-to secondary offering, as it featured both sink and fade and he
threw it to both sides of the plate. His curveball was strictly
get-me-over in his debut, so he’ll need to improve the rotation on the
Fred from Georgia asks:
Matt, could you give us a brief scouting report on Randall Delgado
(I’ve heard Frank Wren is high on him) and Craig Kimbrel? I’m surprised
Kimbrel wasn’t higher…was it because he’s a reliever. Dude was
Perhaps the most impressive thing about Delgado was that the Braves
skipped him over the GCL. That says a lot, because the Braves are
generally very conservative with their young arms. Delgado has a loose,
live arm, a clean delivery and a projectable pitcher’s frame. If his
secondary stuff comes on, he could really dominate.
Kimbrel was very tough to evaluate in this league because of his status
as a reliever. To dominate Appy Leaguers in short stints is, frankly,
not that impressive. Kimbrel got extra credit, though, for extending
his dominance up to High A. Purely in terms of being a safe bet, only
Twins RHP Shooter Hunt (who chewed up the league but didn’t have the
innings to qualify) would rate higher than Kimbrel.
SethSpeaks from Minnesota asks:
happy that Angel Morales is on your list, but #8?? The kid is younger
than most of the 2008 high school draft picks and he led the league in
HR and Slugging percentage. Lots of strikeouts, but from what I hear, 5
tool potential. Not sure he isn’t as high as #2…
No denying Morales had a fantastic year, and he’s a legit center
fielder despite average speed. The worry is that unless he refines his
approach (he struck out in nearly 40 percent of his at-bats), he’s
going to struggle against more advanced competition — competition that
can exploit his weaknesses.
Andrew from York, PA asks:
for the chat, guys. I have a few questions about some of the Astros
prospects on the list. Firstly, were you surprised to see Jay Austin
struggle so much with Greeneville? And what can we expect from him
going forward? Secondly, what do the scouts like about Federico
Hernandez that put him on the list? I’m curious, because I haven’t
heard too much about him, even in Astros fan circles. Thanks again.
Everyone was surprised by Austin’s struggles because he made such hard
contact. He needs to shorten his swing and divert his attention from
hitting home runs, but aside from that he projects to have three
average or better tools: speed, hitting and center field defense.
Matt Eddy: Hernandez is a deep sleeper who has a tremendous aptitude for catching. He’s got a chance if he hits for a decent average.
willy from pitt asks:
Why did Niko Vasquez rank so low after tearing up the level and getting a promotion to Low A?
In most years, he’s be a shoo-in for the Top 10. The depth of the
league, especially in terms of premium Latin American talent, was the
difference. Vasquez can hit, but opinions of his future defensive home
and power potential drove him down the list.
Bobby Joe from TN asks:
Any other Kingsport Mets besides Flores looking good?
The only other Kingsport Met to receive any kind of consideration was
RHP John Holdzkom. But being a third-year pro and not having a refined
secondary pitch kept him off. He gets plus sink on a 92-96 mph fastball
and he throws a fringy slider that hints at average potential. But most
times, Holdzkom struggles to repeat his release point for the pitch and
his command suffers.
Doug A. Milhoan from North Canton, OH asks:
I was surprised you chose Albert Suarez over his Princeton teammate Joseph Cruz. Thoughts on Cruz?
That’s a fair question. It’s easier to dream on Suarez because he’s
young, projectable and already shows advanced command. For his part,
Cruz gets real good extension on his pitches, as he has long arms, and
he throws his fastball up to 94 mph. He’s a plus competitor who has a
strong feel for his changeup, but his breaking ball needs refinement.
Ben from Florida asks:
help me settle a dispute I have with some of my friends. In terms of
offensive potential, not what position they play or they’ll play in the
future, who is the better prospect Michael Almanzar or Wilmer Flores?
Basically who has the best bat.
John Manuel took a similar question on his ESPN chat today . . . but
you’re forgiven if you didn’t know that chat was going down. Appy
League vs. ESPN general chat . . . tough call.
Almanzar vs. Flores re: offensive upside is too close to call. Almanzar
got more money; Flores hit better at a higher level. Let’s call it a
Jeff from Woking, England asks:
I’m a White Sox fan and even I struggle to see what Silverio did, other than receiving a $600K bonus, to wind up on this list.
The bonus buys him a grace period of one season. As unrefined as he
was, he really wasn’t ready for domestic short-season ball. Maybe time
in instrux and extended spring will benefit him in 2009, when he’ll
probably repeat Rookie ball, either in the Appy or the Pioneer league.
Steve from Orlando asks:
Does Matt Moore compare to Jake McGee at the same age?
Moore already has “more” advanced feel for his secondary stuff,
particularly his breaking ball, than McGee did. McGee’s fastball is a
tick better, however.
Mike from Tampa, FL asks:
Callis mentioned that high schoolers often struggle in their pro
debuts, and that Tim Beckham’s low AVG is not a concern. Can you
provide an example of outstanding offensive player(s) that had a tough
time in their first year?
To cite an example of another first overall pick scuffling in his
debut, look no further than Chipper Jones, who hit .229/.321/.271 in 44
games in the GCL in 1990.
Andrew from new york asks:
Jordan Lyles…projection? #2 starter or what?
Matt Eddy: If he develops a reliable breaking ball, it sounds like No. 3 is Lyles’ ceiling. If not, he cold be a strong reliever.
Brandon from Nashville, TN asks:
There is usually no rush to promote players at this level yet, but which player do you see making the highest jump next season?
Aside from Kimbrel, who already has pitched in High A, Paul Clemens
might be the next-best candidate because he’s a junior college product.
Herrera and Vasquez already have played in Low A, so they’re dark horse
contenders to begin in High A.