Santana Return Not Enough For Twins



With a full no-trade clause and the right to walk away as a free agent after the 2008 season, Johan Santana was able to exert more control over his destiny than most players ever could dream of. After trade rumors swirled around him throughout the offseason, he wanted his situation resolved this week. The Twins risked getting nothing but two draft picks for the best pitcher of baseball if they stood pat for now and he decided to exercise his no-trade rights in the future.

The Yankees apparently took Phil Hughes off the table in their trade talks with Minnesota, and perhaps the Red Sox were happier to let Santana go to the National League rather than part with a considerable package of young talent to get him. That’s the best explanation as to why the Twins agreed on Tuesday to send Santana to the Mets for four young players: outfielder Carlos Gomez and righthanders Deolis Guerra, Philip Humber and Kevin Mulvey.

That deal hinges on New York’s ability to sign Santana to a long-term contract before a 5 p.m. ET deadline on Friday. Santana’s asking price is reportedly as high as $150 million over six years.

Minnesota might be better off if those talks collapse, giving new Twins GM Bill Smith a chance to find a better return for Santana. While he’s going to command possibly the richest contract ever given to a pitcher, Santana is the best pitcher in the game. And Smith didn’t get enough for him.

Guerra (No. 2), Gomez (No. 3), Mulvey (No. 4) and Humber (No. 7) all ranked prominently on our Mets Top 10 Prospects list. But there’s simply too much risk involved in this deal for Minnesota.

The two best prospects in the trade, Guerra and Gomez, come with high ceilings but also lack a lot of polish and have a long ways to go to reach their potential. The odds that they both will do so are slim.

Guerra has an 89-94 mph fastball and a promising changeup and he’s only 18. But he also has a below-average breaking ball, has yet to pitch more than 90 innings in a season and while he has held his own, he hasn’t dominated. Gomez had the best package of tools in the Mets system, but his bat is still extemely raw as evidenced by his career .273/.331/.384 averages in the minors.

Mulvey has an arsenal of four average pitches and throws strikes. He’s not overpowering and he’s most likely a No. 4 starter. Since having Tommy John surgery in 2005, Humber hasn’t fully regained the stuff that made him the No. 3 overall pick in the 2004 draft. His curveball is his best pitch but his fastball now sits at 87-91 mph. He too projects as a No. 4 starter.

The Twins have traded Santana for two high-reward but also high-risk prospects, and two back-of-the-rotation starters. They didn’t get a prospect whose combination of ceiling and certainty approaches that of Hughes, whom the Yankees were willing to deal for Santana earlier in the winter. They didn’t get a package comparable to the ones the Red Sox reportedly offered earlier, fronted by either Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester and also containing two solid prospects nearly ready for the majors: righty Justin Masterson and shortstop Jed Lowrie.

By this point, however, the Yankees were no longer willing to part with Hughes and the Red Sox may have reduced their offers as well. But even if that left the Mets as the only serious bidders, the Twins should have insisted on New York’s top prospect, outfielder Fernando Martinez.

As it was, Minnesota’s return doesn’t compare favorably to the six-player package the Athletics extracted from the Diamondbacks for Dan Haren. The A’s also got two quality arms from the White Sox for Nick Swisher.

The Twins entered the offseason with three potential frontline starters on their big league roster. They since have traded Santana and Matt Garza, and they’re going to need Francisco Liriano to return to health and their offense to pick up an awful lot of slack.



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what are the Twins doing here?!? they DO NOT need any pitching prospects–they’re LOADED already, especially with mid-rotation guys. this just doesn’t make sense…the Twins need OFFENSE! Gomez seems pretty mediocre at this stage…lifelong TWINS fan says BOO to this deal!!!

any other Twins fans scratching their heads at this one?!? we don’t need more pitchers!!!

I agree with the article. Those prospects are not close to the value of Santana. On John Manuel’s top 50 prospect list from the 2008 handbook they rank on #33 Guerra and #36 Gomez.

I agree that the Twins didn’t get hardly enough to trade Santana. I am not sure if what they accepted shocks me more than the Angels NOT jumping into this mix. The Angels have so many prospects that they don’t have MLB spots to place them and getting Santana would have put them in the AL drivers seat. Don’t the Twins need infielders? How many did they get in this deal???? The Twins produce pitching prospects in their sleep, so I just don’t understand how they felt this was the best they could do, but as a Red Sox fan I am glad to see him out of the American League!!

How could the Twins get more? Only a handful of teams were in the chase. It seems the Red Sox only got in because the Yankees were in it. If the Sox really wanted Santana, they would have put up a winning bid. The Yankees did not want to give up more young pitching, since Cashman is in love with that cheap talent. Plus, everyone knew it will take 20 mill a year for one pitcher, and so only a few teams would even think about doing that. The Twins were doomed when the contract demands were out in the open. They have very little leverage to ask for more and teams knew this. The only option they had is hold on until the trade deadline, but that is a huge gamble. At that point, the Twins would be the ones against a wall…trade or hold out for the possible two draft picks? I think they are gambling still with the Mets offer, but they have seen that no one else is pushing for Santana and his price tag in players and money.

Jim,

I couldn’t agree with you more. Smith overplayed his hand when he banked on a power struggle between the Yanks and Red Sox.

Once he stalled out after the Winter Meetings, the teams seemed to lose the affinity for Santana, and that’s when they pulled back their offers for the lefty ace.

It today’s game, it seems that the best laid plans don’t work out. Striking while the iron is hot has become the mantra, with teams making deals quickly and decisively.

By waiting, Smith confused and bored out his market. Huge mistake.

The sad part about this is the Minnesota fan. They now watch another face of the franchise leave, while their 2.8 billion dollar owner claims small market status.

Not only does Carl Pohlad not spend the MLB revenue sharing money on his team, but he asked the people of Minnesota to pay for their new stadium. Than he fails to sign the best pitcher on the planet. It’s a shame.

This is a great trade for Jon Niese, correct? Although, Twins fans can’t be very happy with their gains, the Mets did just trade away three of their top ptiching prospects, not leaving much left. Their starting rotation is quite old at the Major League level so this looks good for Pelfrey, Niese, etc.

Mets might have punched their ticket directly to the NLCS, if they’re able to lock up their Amazin Ace!!
However, on the Twins hand, I think they made the best out of a worst case scenerio! We know pretty much what to expect from Humber and Gomez. But the sweetner in this deal will be the turnout of Guerra and Mulvey a couple years down the road. Maybe this deal wont look so bad, on the Twins part, when these guys have reached their ceiling.

If indeed, the contract demands priced most teams out of the mix, thus lessening what the Twins could get, they should have just kept Santana.

If Liriano returns to form, they could have had an amazing one-two punch at the top of their rotation.

This is the best the Twins could do? My mouth is slightly ajar in mild astonishment. What a decidedly underwhelming package of “prospects”. If I were a Twins fan I’d be more than a little perturbed.

As a Mets fan I know how little the Mets gave up. I can’t say it’s nothing, because there is some talent there, but I would hardly consider it in the same league as what the Sox and Yanks offered. I always try to keep an open mind when discussing the Mets prospects, because I know there is a Nwe York media hype. That’s why I read Baseball America, a national publication with no bias. But this deal is definately lopsided, I’m just glad the Mets got the big half.

My heart goes out to Ron Gardenhire. Who are your starting five? The Mets should have included Fernando Martinez and Mike Pelfry. Perhaps the Twins would have included Joe Mauer, Joe Nathan, and Justin Morneau?!

Santana only wanted to be traded east (no trade clause, remember).

So it was Yanks, Sox or Mets.

Twins had no leverage – Santana held all of the cards.

Mets Rotation today

Santana 28
Martinez 36
Perez 26
Maine 26
Pelfrey 23/Hernandez 42*

El duque will more likely be a spot starter and work out of the bullpen.

The rotation actually seems kind of young…..

This is the danger of giving a no trade clause to a player. Now i can not fault the twins for offering him $20 million per year (which he turned down) for being cheap, but they cleraly overplayed their hand in this case

If you’d have told me at the end of the previous season that the Twins would get a more valuable player from trading Matt Garza than Santana, I’d have thought you to be a total idiot.
Unless he was or is actually hurt, it doesn’t make sense to me to trade him in this manner. Challenge him to pitch lights-out in his walk year, and if he responds like most would expect him to, they would get 4 months of Santana and at least this much from someone wanting to rent him for the pennant drive. At least it’s possible.
Money talks, and in this case it was just too much.

One difference with Haren is that he is not in position to demand a huge contract. If Santana does not sign with the Mets, there is NO WAY Minnesota will even get this much from anyone else. Who else would be willing to give up the prospects for someone who wouldn’t sign with what the Mets will be offering? Considering the Twins would get nothing but a draft pick if they kept him, they probably got the best deal they could at this point, and better hope the Mets do sign him.

Some people get it, others dont. the Twins had NO choice. Waiting to July wouldnt work cuz Santana Still had the no trade clause, rental was out. The mets trade is equal to the Mets offer. Lester is a #3-4 type MLB pitcher, so is Humber & Mulvey, Guerra is better than the Redsox offered in secondary group. Ellsbury in place of Lester would be better, but he is grossly overhyped. A Solid player with low risk to reach his ceiling, however Gomez’ ceiling is higher, albeit greater risk to reach even Ellsbury level. The yanks offer was the best, because Hughes might be among the best AL pitchers in 2-3 yrs and Cabrera is a “safe” if not spectacular CF, but that deal was no longer available.


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