It looks like the Giants are going to move Pablo Sandoval from catcher to either first or third base, with general manager Brain Sabean telling BA correspondent Andy Baggarly in November that Sandoval could get the majority of playing time at third.
But should the Giants totally abandon Sandoval’s development behind the plate?
Over the last couple of weeks, we’ve seen that Sandoval has ranked as one of the game’s best at erasing base stealers the last two seasons and only committed nine passed balls per 120 games in 2008. And that’s despite playing only one game at catcher between 2005-2006, as the Giants moved Sandoval from catcher after 33 games there in the Rookie-level Arizona League in 2004 before re-converting him to a backstop for 2007.
Yet Sandoval spent time at first and third base in his big league callup in 2008, is playing exclusively at first base this winter in the Venezuelan League (where he has lambasted the league with a .396/.449/.677 line in 214 plate appearances) and appears likely to be headed to a corner infield spot in San Francisco in 2009. So why the rush to move Sandoval away from catcher?
Sandoval, 22, is listed at 5-foot-11, 245 pounds, and having seen him in person, that looks accurate. He’s not tall, but he has a very thick build. If you trust the accuracy of height and weight information (and if this is any indication, maybe we shouldn’t), then there has never been a starting catcher who has weighed at least 245 pounds.
That doesn’t mean it can’t happen.
Before 6-foot-4 Cal Ripken Jr., there were only a handful of shortstops in baseball history who were at least 6-foot-3. Since then, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Troy Tulowitzki and Hanley Ramirez have come along.
Scouts say Sandoval has trouble physically crouching down low enough to get into proper catching position, and his size limits his agility. Yet so far he seems to have been able keep the ball in front of him. Was it the pitching staff in high Class A San Jose making him look good? Sandoval and Jackson Williams each caught around 50 games for San Jose, yet Williams committed 11 passed balls compared to Sandoval’s four. That’s not a very good way to isolate the effect of the pitching staff, but it’s something.
One of the other problems Sandoval’s size presents is the strain it puts on his body. Starting behind the plate for a full season takes a toll on any catchers’ knees, and Sandoval’s size means his knees might take more of a beating than usual.
"He could catch, but he’s not going to do miracles there," said one scout. "He might develop into an average major league catcher, but my concern is how well he keeps himself in shape. He can play third base a little bit, but his range is going to be limited because he’s going to get bigger, and as his body matures, he’ll be a heavyset kind of guy.
"He’s a good offensive player, but if he plays first base, he could be a great offensive player," the scout added. "If he goes to catch, that’s probably going to hurt his offense. He could pull it off, but I just have the feeling that it might hurt his chances on offense because it gets tiring squatting and getting up all the time; it’s a very demanding position. But the guy can definitely hit."
Bengie Molina is under contract through 2009, and Buster Posey, the fifth overall pick in the 2008 draft, could be ready for the majors by some point in 2010 if all goes well. If Posey can take over at catcher by mid-2010, then it seems like an easy decision to move Sandoval to first or third. But that’s a Utopian scenario.
The Giants obviously believe in Posey, so I can understand their line of thinking. But what if Posey struggles in his pro debut? What if he doesn’t turn out to be as good as advertised?
Molina has averaged 121 games behind the plate the last three seasons, and he turns 35 in July. Why not let Sandoval catch 40 or so games in 2009? It would ease him into the role of catching a big league pitching staff, keep his knees fresh enough to catch and play first base and give him the opportunity to learn from Molina for a year.
If Sandoval doesn’t catch at all in 2009 and Posey has so much as a hiccup in his development this season, then Sandoval would be a year removed from catching and the Giants would be without a catcher heading into 2010. Why burn that bridge? Sandoval seems versatile enough—heck, he can throw righthanded and lefthanded, and he’ll even snap off a curveball from the left side—to give Giants manager Bruce Bochy some flexibility with his roster.
Rather than giving those 40 games when Molina’s on the bench to a backup catcher with a .700 OPS, it might be worth giving those plate appearances to Sandoval, give him the opportunity to continue his catching development at the big league level, and re-assess the organization’s catching situation after the 2009 season.
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Who says the Giants won’t start him in games where Molina rests? Sandoval started 9 games at C in 2008 while up in the majors, about once every fourth game, plus appears to have relieved two other games at C.
I would expect Sandoval to continue to start games at C in 2009 in relief of Molina, given the current roster configuration. One reason they might still do that is because that would open up starts at 3B for Frandsen, which could happen whether or not he wins starting 2B role, as his shifting to 3B would give Burriss (should Burriss lose 2B battle) starts at 2B or Velez, should the Giants decide to send Burriss down to AAA (where he hasn’t played much anyway and thus could use the experience; hitters typically need a lot of AB to develop to their potential). This would keep his bat in the lineup while giving Molina a rest and Frandsen/Burriss starts in the infield.
About the pitching staff, what I would like to see is pitch usage stats of the pitchers with Williams vs. Sandoval catching. Just like runners run less against good catchers, perhaps the pitchers didn’t throw as many low pitches with Sandoval because they knew he would have trouble catching them. But, yeah, that is an odd stat because Williams is suppose to be a very good defensive catcher.
Posted by obsessivegiantscompulsive | January 5, 2009 at 5:08 pm | ShortcutBen, I agree with you. Why would the Giants limit Sandoval’s catching development when they have so little to lose? It’s not like they’ll contend this year, so they won’t need a good defensive backup.
By the way, I no longer trust height and weight stats.
Posted by Luke | January 8, 2009 at 12:23 am | ShortcutHaving seen Sandoval catch in San Jose his quickness behind the plate was a real eye opener. His lateral movement was first class and he blocked pitches in the dirt well. I saw him catch Alderson who has nasty late movement on his pitches and Pablo had no hesitation calling low zone pitches. What amazed me most was his foot speed. He got down the line quickly and had good home to second speed.
There are any number of football comparisons that can be made here. The quickness of both offensive and defensive lineman of enormous size is now taken for granted. Why not a quick 245lb catcher? Additionally, Buster Posey may be the Giants best option for 3rd base in the future… IF he can hit in the majors! We know what Sandy can do with the stick and this fan thinks he’s the Giants best option behind the plate – even at 5′11” and 245!
Posted by buddythebowler | January 8, 2009 at 10:02 am | ShortcutPosey is the Giants best option at 3B for the future? Did you give up on Conor Gillaspie after a half season of development? Posey was drafted as high as he was, and paid his bonus amount because the Giants believed he was the closest thing to a certainty at Catcher. His value is intrinsically tied into that position.
I completely agree with Ben’s piece in that not letting Sandoval catch in 09 hampers his overall development, and the Giants run a serious risk of not having a viable candidate for the Catching position in 2010. Molina is going to need a spell at the Catching position, and who better to do that than a developing young player like Sandoval. It should be a trial by error situation for San Francisco. If it works out and Sandoval succeeds while Posey progresses, than the Giants have a problem they haven’t had in a long time: two positional players fighting for one spot, and that is a good thing.
Posted by theMLBeat | January 8, 2009 at 2:20 pm | ShortcutAs to Gillaspie, I saw him in AZ and so far, not very impressive. Posey has great legs and catching could really hamper them. Besides, following the point made earlier, what a great position for the Giants to be in – having two players battling for the same position…
Posted by Buddythebowler | January 15, 2009 at 10:41 am | Shortcut