We’re getting our first real news about the Nationals’ negotiations with No. 1 overall pick Stephen Strasburg. Club officials met with Strasburg last week, and they’ve since made an offer that exceeds the draft-record $10.5 million contract Mark Prior got from the Cubs in 2001.
Saturday, in the first public quotes issued by any of the principals involved, Washington team president Stan Kasten told the Associated Press on Saturday that he has no idea if his club will be able to reach a deal.
"This kid is so impressive," Kasten said. "We have nothing but the highest regard for him. If he wants to come and begin his career right now—and do so with the largest contract ever given to any drafted player in the history of Major League Baseball—we can help him accomplish that. But if this is more about changing the whole way an industry does business, then we won’t be able to reach a deal."
File those comments under "Rhetoric," even if they have spurred several "Nats May Not Sign Strasburg" stories. It’s too early to jump to that conclusion, and these talks are playing out just like they figured to.
All the serious negotiating always was going to happen right before the Aug. 17 deadline and any deal is going to be reached in the final few minutes. It’s no more surprising that Kasten is accusing Strasburg’s adviser, Scott Boras, of trying to change the marketplace of the draft than it would be if Boras pointed out how much MLB’s revenues have grown since Prior’s signing or the special nature of Strasburg’s talent.
The woeful Nationals can’t afford not to sign Strasburg, and they’re going to offer him more money than he can sensibly risk turning down. He would be worth more than his $50 million asking price on the open market, and it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Strasburg and Boras would walk away on principle. But there’s no obvious path to make him a free agent, and I’ll be stunned if a deal doesn’t get done late on Monday night.
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Is fellow Boras client Kentrail Davis close to signing?
Posted by J.P. | August 16, 2009 at 10:11 am | ShortcutJim, I know it’s early and you are not probably thinking about this, but who are your early preditions for number 1 next year IF Strasburg doesn’t sign? Could he sign off the Nats and play for the hometown Padres?
Posted by Mike | August 16, 2009 at 11:02 am | ShortcutWe would love to be able to see 103 out here some more.
Posted by Mike | August 16, 2009 at 11:02 am | ShortcutI hope that he fires Boras and signs the deal…..Boras is making a mockery of the draft system right now.
Posted by Jason | August 16, 2009 at 11:16 am | ShortcutRe Davis: There has been some talk that it’s getting closer. Probably a mid-Monday deal, though.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 11:17 am | ShortcutRe 2010: If Strasburg doesn’t sign, he’s not going to consent to allow the Nationals to draft him again. If the Nats had the No. 1 overall pick, Bryce Harper would be the favorite right now. Any other club that had the No. 1 overall pick, I’d say Strasburg would be their guy.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 11:19 am | ShortcutRe Boras: Can’t agree with you, Jason. Scott is doing his job, which is advocating for his client. If Strasburg doesn’t like his advice, he doesn’t have to take it. And not to sound like I work for the Scott Boras Corp., but Strasburg is better than Matsuzaka or Chapman, and those guys got tens of millions. Unfortunately for Strasburg, he’s subject to the draft. I see the Nationals’ side too–that he’s subject to the draft and the others guys weren’t/aren’t. So they’ll have to meet in the middle. But no mistake, on the open market, Strasburg would get more than either guy and maybe as much as $75 million.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 11:23 am | ShortcutMatsuzaka is terrible, saying he is better than Matsuzaka really isn’t saying much. The argument saying that if Strasburg was a free agent he would get $50 million plus is true, but is not valid because the bottom line is the kid is a draft pick who doesn’t have free agent leverage.
You could say that about every draft pick in the past. Would Matt Weiters have only got $6 million if he was a free agent in 2007? He probably would have got a lot more but that argument wasn’t made for him at the time and he had no choice but to take the offer at the last second because the Orioles stood strong.
People saying Strasburg is “special” is ridiculous. Mark Prior was “special” too. There is no reason for Nationals fans to get nervous. Whatever he is offered he will take…. he is just playing the negotiating game. I’d say somewhere around $15-$20 million.
Who knows maybe he gets more, but if he does then you can mark it down as the Nationals got played pretty bad in the negotiations.
Posted by Matt | August 16, 2009 at 11:43 am | ShortcutWhat about in 2011 with Harper out of it? Interesting with Cole, Gray
Posted by Mike | August 16, 2009 at 11:52 am | ShortcutMatt
You are completely wrong. Strasburg and Boras aren’t just going to lay down and take whatever is given to them. Have you followed Scott Boras and the draft over the last however many years?
Gerrit Cole last year turned down the 1st round. Alex Meyer turned down 2+ million dollars in the 20th round. The year before that, Matt Harvey turns down the Angels in close to 2 million dollars.
Stephen Strasburg is the greatest prep pitcher of ALL TIME. Scott Boras is trying to do his job by getting this kid the amount of money that he deserves and that is well more than anyone else so far has deserved.
You can’t come out and say that he will take anything because the past shows that that will not be the case. It’s like what was stated earlier on BA, if Strasburg doesn’t get what he likes, theres a possible 3 options: (1) Return to SDSU (Josh Fields); (2) Go to Independent Ball (Luke Hochevar?); (3) Play Overseas (—Strasburg??—)
The two to previously had done the other two, Boras Clients, therefore, there is a chance he doesn’t sign.
This should be interesting to see what happens. Good luck to both sides. I hope to see a deal get done.
Posted by Baseball GURU | August 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm | ShortcutJim, a long time Mets fan, why have they not stepped up and pay above slot for their picks. I see other teams (nearly all of them) do it yet the owners of the Mets will not. I guess we’re a micro small team. Much smaller than KC, Pittsburg just about everyone. Yet, all I read is there are NO prospects in the their minors. Isn’t this the only way to start producing home grown players that can become “game changers” ?
Posted by Stan | August 16, 2009 at 12:22 pm | ShortcutMatsuzaka is terrible, because hes hurt? Did you not see 2007 or 2008 from him? Come on
Posted by Nick | August 16, 2009 at 12:25 pm | ShortcutRe the Mets: They still haven’t signed their top pick (second round), Steve Matz, or their fifth-, sixth- and ninth-rounders. Didn’t I hear something about them opening an new park and starting a new cable channel? Why they’re so conservative with draft spending mystifies me, and it takes a toll on their system.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 12:28 pm | ShortcutJim, while it is likely that Strasburg would get $75M if he were a *singular free agent today*, based on Chapman/Matsuzaka, this is only because 90%+ of the free agent talent available today is vastly underpriced by being locked up via the draft. That frees up a huge amount of money to be lavished on the little talent that remains, with $1-$5M going to ultra-high risk underage Dominicans and $50M going to more proven talent such as the aforementioned gentlemen.
In a universally free market, Strasburg would get well over $10.5M, but nothing like the $50M-$75M figures being thrown around. There just would not be that supply of money available.
Posted by Gary | August 16, 2009 at 12:38 pm | ShortcutWe’ll agree to disagree, Gary. In 1996, Matt White and Travis Lee got five times what the top prospect (Kris Benson) got because they became free agents and he didn’t. Wait until you see what Aroldis Chapman gets on the open market, and there’s no doubt in my mind Strasburg is the better pitcher.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 12:42 pm | ShortcutAhh, 1996, the year Scott Boras was actually successful in messing up the MLB draft. My Rays got the raw end of the deal that year in signing Matt White to $10M. But its not like our 1st Round Pick that year did anything either. Never even made it to the big leagues. Its like every season he tries to recoup some of that magic and find some loophole somewhere to get his clients more money. Good for Boras clients, bad for just about everyone else. If I had to guess, I’d say Strasburg takes $20-$25M at about 11:59:55 on Monday night.
Posted by Joshua | August 16, 2009 at 1:19 pm | ShortcutJim,
Posted by CMG | August 16, 2009 at 1:40 pm | ShortcutMyself and fellow Mets fans are interested in their pursuits to sign Damien Magnifico, David Buchanan, and Jeff Glenn. All want over-slot and they gave local kid Steve Matz over-slot money. Out of the three which one is likeliest to sign?
Midnight deadlines always confuse me because people often put midnight into the previous day. Today is Sunday. 12:00 AM tonight is the start of Monday. So the deadline is midnight tonight?
Posted by Steve | August 16, 2009 at 1:54 pm | ShortcutOn the Chapman subject, how much can he really get in FA? I know the Yankees and RedSox will spark a Contreras like bidding war, but i think while the kid has a lot of potential, he is mostly hype right now, everyone seems to be ignoring his poor WBC numbers and just focusing on the number 101. he has below average secondary stuff from what i’ve heard as well as terrible control on his fastball. When he signs id say hes still years away.
Posted by Dan M | August 16, 2009 at 2:10 pm | ShortcutNo Steve, i thought the same thing, but its tomorrow, use the countdown clock on the BA homepage
Posted by Dan M | August 16, 2009 at 2:46 pm | ShortcutRe the Mets: Matz’ deal isn’t close to done and isn’t going as smoothly as you might think. Out of the other three kids, I’d guess Glenn but haven’t heard much at all on any of them.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 3:07 pm | ShortcutRe Dan M: You are correct explaining the deadline on Steve. On Chapman, I’d set the over-under at $50 million and bet the over. Not saying it makes sense, but teams go crazy for Cuban defectors and lightning-armed lefties, and he’s both.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 3:08 pm | ShortcutMinaya, I presume, doesn’t go over slot because he was GM of the Expos at a time when they were run by MLB. This is extremely frustrating to us Met fans. The $$ would be much better spent on draftees than on the Tim Reddings of the world.
Posted by Bob W | August 16, 2009 at 3:09 pm | ShortcutIs there any chance Chad Kettler and Scooter
Posted by patrick brady | August 16, 2009 at 3:25 pm | ShortcutGennett will sign???
Any movement with any of the Blue Jays unsigned picks?
Posted by tim | August 16, 2009 at 3:30 pm | ShortcutRe Kettler and Gennett: Don’t think so.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 3:43 pm | ShortcutRe the Jays: Nothing new to report. They have to sign more guys, just not sure how many they’ll lock up.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 3:44 pm | ShortcutJim,
I see the Twins and Gibson are $1 million apart. Is a healthy Gibson really top 5 talent? Are the Twins offering Slot to Gibson? and what gives with thier atrocious signing numbers after the top 10 rounds?
Thanks,
Posted by Mark S | August 16, 2009 at 4:45 pm | ShortcutRe Gibson: I’m about as big a Gibson fan as there is, and for me, he’s a top-five talent. I’ve not talked directly to either side, only read Joe Christensen’s fine work in the Star Tribune. The Twins haven’t gone over slot for any of their signees unless they’ve snuck one by us after the 10th round, and with Gibson coming off a stress fracture in his forearm, I could see where there position would be to stick to slot with him as well. The slot at No. 22 is $1.287 million; the slot at No. 5 is around $2.5 million. So that could be where that seven-figure difference comes from.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 4:59 pm | ShortcutI’m old school. Guaranteed contracts for guaranteed performance. Let all the draft picks get guarantees for what they do not what they say they’ll do.
An example: proposed contract for 1st round draft picks: 3 yr contract followed by eligibility for free agency, 100K signing bonus, minor league contract, guaranteed bonus’ for reaching the major leagues, guarantees for performane in the major leagues such as games started, games finished, large bonus for era below 2.00, somewhat less for 3.00 etc, guarantees for fans in the seats above the average etc.
Posted by Greg Newbold | August 16, 2009 at 5:01 pm | ShortcutIt is mindless to pay anyone a bonus based on what he did in high school and college. Base a players compensation on performance at the major league level. BTW, if I’m a 3rd baseman with 5 years ML experience and making 2 million you can bet I’m not diving for the ball for a slug aking 10 million per year who’s never plaey an inning on ML paul. Lets pay veterans and not schoolboys.
I have a question about Miguel Pena the Nats 5th pick and Brody Colvin the Phillies 7th rounder.
What do you think it will take to get Colvin to sign? I read that he worked out for the Phillies the other day. Is a deal still possible?
Also, I thought Miguel Pena was going to be a much easier sign than he has proven to be. When he got drafted he was interviewed on a number of occasions and made it sound like he would definitely sign. what is the hold up?
Posted by joe | August 16, 2009 at 5:37 pm | ShortcutAny update on Max Stassi?
Posted by Tyler | August 16, 2009 at 5:44 pm | ShortcutJim, any chance the Rays sign Pierce Johnson?
Posted by Alex | August 16, 2009 at 5:45 pm | ShortcutRe Pena and Colvin: I don’t think those guys will get done. With Pena, sounds like the Nationals gave him one ultimatum too many earlier in the summer. I think Colvin would require a deal around seven figures and am not hearing that will happen.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 5:51 pm | ShortcutRe Stassi: No updates, still think he’ll sign.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 5:51 pm | ShortcutRe Johnson: My default answer on the Rays is that they already have spent a little under $3 million to sign Glaesmann, Bailey, Malm and James, and they still have to sign first-rounder Washington. Not sure how much will be left in their budget after that. If they don’t get Washington done–and I think they will–they might spend some of his cash on later-round picks.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 5:52 pm | ShortcutHave any of Scott Boras’s clients signed yet?
As long as the top 3 picks in the draft both the Tigers 1st and 2nd pick are Boras clients and are threatening to play in college next year.
Posted by Brad | August 16, 2009 at 5:57 pm | ShortcutJim, do you think the players that are below the 10th round that have not signed most likely will not sign? Or have they been a bit lost in the shuffle of signing the higher picks? I’m just noticing the A’s have a bunch of unsigned picks in the 20-30 rounds. Also do you have an average of how many draft picks usually sign on any given team? Just wondering if the A’s are above or below average in signing their picks.
Posted by Toni | August 16, 2009 at 5:58 pm | ShortcutRe Boras clients: Gavin Brooks signed in the ninth round with the Yankees for $125,000 on June 17, and that’s the only one I know of.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 6:09 pm | ShortcutWhat’s the word on Ackley & Tate. Are they likely to sign?
Posted by Steve | August 16, 2009 at 6:09 pm | ShortcutRe late-rounders, etc.: A few of those guys will sign before the deadline, maybe 20-25 more total around baseball, and we don’t always find out about the 150k-300k deals until later. The average team signs about 30 draft picks per year.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 6:12 pm | ShortcutRe Ackley and Tate: I believe they’ll sign. They wouldn’t have gone that high if the clubs weren’t prepared to sign them. If I were setting the over/under on total of first-rounders who will sign, I’d still set it at 30
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 6:13 pm | Shortcut½. Matzek will be the toughest sign, and Crow probably won’t sign until after the deadline.Jim,
Posted by CMG | August 16, 2009 at 6:24 pm | ShortcutIs Boras just simply using his players after Strasburg as dominos to kick off the negotiations for SS and the Nats? I hear about Tate and the Padres talking, then I hear about the Mariners reportedly wanting Ackley to take a physical, so should I be waiting for a Strasburg story at the 11th hour or are those factors just coincidences?
Whats the status of Helm? Whats he looking for? Are the ‘backs making a run at him?
Posted by Larry H. | August 16, 2009 at 6:25 pm | ShortcutRe Boras clients: Those three guys are all getting such huge money that they almost surely won’t get done until right before the deadline. What Strasburg gets won’t affect Ackley or Tate, but all three guys should be very wealthy by midnight tomorrow.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 6:53 pm | ShortcutRe Helm: His scheduled BP session at Chase Field didn’t happen, with the team pulling the plug, not him. Not sure what his asking price is. He’s a quality hitter but was hurt for much of the spring.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 6:54 pm | ShortcutAny news on Jacob Stewart. i heard that Marti and Co. visited him in Colorado on Friday. Looks to me the Phils went cheap this year in the draft, dont you think so?
Posted by Tabish | August 16, 2009 at 6:56 pm | ShortcutOhlman signs with the Orioles, details not released. Can you confirm? Jim Morris and Miami will certainly miss not having Murphy and Ohlman on campus.
Posted by Nick | August 16, 2009 at 6:59 pm | ShortcutAny update on Matzek?? Will the Rockies give in to his request for “precedent” setting money? or will $4-5 million be enough to get the deal done?
Posted by david | August 16, 2009 at 7:30 pm | ShortcutRe Stewart: Heard the same, haven’t heard if they’re close.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 7:33 pm | ShortcutRe Matzek: No updates. Looks like the real serious negotiating will happen Monday, and I don’t know what his final number will be. Just guessing here, but I would think it would be at least $5 million, and that’s a major comedown from “precedent-setting money” (believed to mean greater than the $7 million Porcello/Beckett record high school deals), so I might be low at $5 million.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 7:35 pm | Shortcutwatching the aflac game. harper showed off his cannon greately in the first. but showed some flaws hitting. what are your thoughts on him in the future jim?
Posted by james | August 16, 2009 at 8:00 pm | ShortcutRe Ohlman: Has agreed to terms, we’re tracking down his bonus. Thanks for the tip.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 8:18 pm | ShortcutJim,
Posted by Mike | August 16, 2009 at 9:04 pm | ShortcutAssuming the Padres get something done with Tate and Sampson, would you be more inclined to spend to get Williams or Reyes at that point? Did anyone on the Cape do more to raise his stock than Jorge?
Re Harper: Been too busy to watch. All I know is he would have been the second or third pick in the 2009 draft if eligible as a HS sophomore.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 9:05 pm | ShortcutRe the Padres: I’d have to know my budget and their asking prices, but I like Williams a lot. Thought he was the best hitter among the really good athletic outfielders in the draft. Reyes was very good on the Cape but he’s also been inconsistent. If I’m running the Padres, I’d really be inclined to sign both.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 9:09 pm | ShortcutJim, Thanks for answering all my questions, I have a few more… Are the Astros close with late round picks, maybe LHP Stephen Rodriguez 48th round, also I know there was a College pitcher they picked who lit it up after they selected him 32nd round Gregory Peavy maybe? Id like them to sign that guy… Also how would you rate their draft? Thanks alot!
Posted by Logan | August 16, 2009 at 9:15 pm | ShortcutRe the Astros: They already have signed 24 of their top 25 picks, and they may be done. They haven’t gone over slot for anyone yet as far as I can tell, and I’m not sure Drayton McLane is going to start tomorrow.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 9:59 pm | ShortcutJim, is not signing Givens any big loss for the Orioles?
Posted by Luke | August 16, 2009 at 11:05 pm | ShortcutRe Givens: Yes and no. He was one of the more talented two-way guys in the draft and scouts were split about which way he should go. That said, I thought he was more athlete than baseball player, and that’s a risky profile. The Orioles will get the 55th pick in next year’s draft if they don’t sign him, so they don’t lose too much.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 16, 2009 at 11:10 pm | ShortcutJim, watching the Aflac game and seeing Bedrosian and the quantity of quality of great up and coming pitching WHY would the Rockies or any other team give “precident setting” money to Matzek of any other prep pitcher?
I personally would not consider that dollar amount for a prep pitcher.
I have watched the Matzek’s and Harper’s dominate at the prep level only to be dominated by the next level. (Did you see Harper tonight?…not good)
I can see Strausberg getting the $ as a collegiate pitcher but Matzek as a hs guy?
Lots of question marks for a prep pitcher to get that kind of money. There has to be some kind of lid on hs talent.
I just dont think I would pull the trigger on that.
Posted by aflacwatcher | August 16, 2009 at 11:46 pm | Shortcutthanks for all the great info Jim!! You have been here all day answering answers… its like a mini chat room, Q & A session! Much much appreciated. Now I just hope those serious negotiations tomorrow between Matzek and Colorado end up in a deal being done!
Posted by david | August 17, 2009 at 12:10 am | ShortcutThere’s a difference between finding someone who will pay you $50 million and being “worth” $50 million.
Posted by Terry | August 17, 2009 at 7:25 am | Shortcut[...] yesterday, Jim Callis of Baseball America wrote, “Matz’s deal isn’t close to done and isn’t going as smoothly as you might [...]
Posted by Buzz: Draft Deadline Tonight, Mets on Matz | August 17, 2009 at 10:33 am | ShortcutJim, the Tigers have a history of going overslot to get their guys. Will they sign Jacob Turner today, and for how much do you think it’ll take?
Posted by sportznut | August 17, 2009 at 11:07 am | ShortcutRe Turner: I think they will for somewhere between $5 million and Porcello money ($7 million).
Posted by Jim Callis | August 17, 2009 at 11:14 am | ShortcutNot really expecting anything, but is there any late news on the Cubs? Doubt it, as most of the top picks are signed, Chad Taylor is set for USF. The remaining guys that come to mind would be Keenyn Walker, Eric Erickson, Gerardo Esquivel, and probably Dan Sheppard.
Posted by Tony | August 17, 2009 at 12:24 pm | ShortcutJim, Boras had talked about “blowing up the draft” – what exactly is he hoping to gain? If the Nats bonus to Strasburg is high enough to upset Bud Selig and the suits at MLB HQ, what’s going to happen? MLB ogoes into the next CBA and bargains for a hard slotting system, like the NBA. The players union probably consents because every dollar that the owners spend on picks is a dollar that doesn’t go to a union member.
So, what is Boras thinking about – every amateur is a free agent free to deal with any team? That will never happen, and he’s even more delusional than I thought if that’s his end game.
Posted by Mark W | August 17, 2009 at 12:36 pm | ShortcutMark: I don’t think Boras has a dream to destroy the draft. I think he’s just trying to extact the most value he can for his clients, which is his job.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 17, 2009 at 12:37 pm | ShortcutHey, Jim! What % chance would you give the Rangers for coming to an agreement with Purke?
Posted by Or | August 17, 2009 at 1:11 pm | ShortcutJim: Do you think that many of these players have been signed but MLB is holding up the “over slot” signing announcements?
Posted by Allen | August 17, 2009 at 1:12 pm | ShortcutIf MLB HQ truly holds back on approving some of these contracts (after say a 48 hour processing period), as part of a strategy to suppress bonuses, what’s in it for the teams to cooperate with this?
If I was an MLB GM, and Bud was sitting on the contract of one of my signed high picks, I’d tell the player to report to A-ball and force Bud’s hand in this.
Posted by Mark W | August 17, 2009 at 1:28 pm | Shortcut