Cmon you mean like when Arkansas got in and Missippi State got in one year and didn’t make the Sec Tournaments.

I agree Baylor was a bridge too far. Looking at the bracket so far I think ASU has the door wide open to Omaha. SEC may have been a little overrated as well.

Aaron, I saw both of these teams play in Lincoln and I couldn’t agree with you more. It is always easier to argue for teams that finished strong, neither did. These teams don’t belong in a field of 84. It’s a shame to let this happen at the expense of two teams that merit a chance.

I thought FSU would have been a national seed.

Regular season champs of the top conference in the nation and nearly won the ACC tourney. Deserved it over UF and OU, in my mind.

The Irvine regional is ridiculous too.

If Weiser uses the RPI as a fig leaf for explaining how two undeserving Big 12 teams got in the field, then please ask him to explain how Number Six RPI Virginia not only didn’t get a number one seeding, but got shipped all the way across the country as a number two seed to play in the toughest regional anybody could possibly put together.

Honestly, this field appears to have been put together for the purpose of ******** the ACC at the Big Twelve’s expense. This is the most shameless example of pro-league bias imaginable. The NCAA needs to clean house on this Committee.

I have felt for years the West got a raw deal in number of teams picked for the tournament, and in the seeding process. The ACC was at the other end of the dial, always over-seeded. But you’re totally right about the Big 12, and I’m a Big 12 guy. Conference hasn’t fared well in postseason play since Texas’ 2005 title, Baylor was a joke selection (the coach as much as admitted it before last week’s tournament) and I bet Oklahoma State’s kids had all gone home or off to summer ball. Most obviously: if the Big 12 was going to get these kinds of breaks, then Weiser needed to excuse himself from the process. It LOOKS terrible and brutally unfair this way, even if the picks are legit (in the eyes of a majority of the committee members).

OK, no one who is a fan of the ACC (7 teams) or the SEC (8 teams) can complain about the Big 12 getting 8 teams in. As usual, the BCS conferences and all their football money are dominating college baseball. I look forward to seeing a team like UC Irvine or Cal State Fullerton raising the trophy in Omaha, thereby sticking it to the BCS schools.

Embarrassment is right. FSU should have been a national seed, UVA got hosed, a few teams out west got scre$ed….. The worse part is… No one will do or say anthing about it at the NCAA level.

Yet another example of how college athletics are slanted toward the SEC, Big 12, and ACC(although I do think Virginia got hosed in terms of seeding). When you can’t finish higher in your league than a Texas Tech team that finished 7 games UNDER .500, then you have absolutely NO business being in the NCAA tourney. The Big 12 and SEC have been the biggest beneficiaries in the BCS era in football as well and the ACC always seems to get the benefit of the doubt in hoops. But back to baseball, Fullerton may have played a stronger schedule than Irvine, but shouldn’t head to head results and consistency through conference play factor in somewhere? Florida a national seed? Another flat out joke! FSU wins the regular season in a league every bit as solid as the SEC, loses in the tourney final, and gets passed over for a seed? Weak at best. I agree with the guy who said the NCAA should get rid of all the committee members on this panel. Reward the weaker power conference teams at the expense of smaller schools that had great seasons. Seems to be the mantra of today’s NCAA and that’s sad.

Best comment I have seen is the ‘Baylor and Oklahoma St don’t deserve to be in an 84 team field’. But please don’t lump Southern Miss in with them. Southern Miss deserved a seed compared with those two choices – and I am not saying Southern Miss deserved to be in. Tulane should be griping. But Ok St and Baylor are indefensible.

And – let’s not forget Oklahoma receiving a national seed over Florida State and Rice.

A complete joke.

Maybe unbiased writers like Fitt, Rogers, and Sorenson should be in the committee. All the coaches seem to have other interests at heart.

Ok let me get this straight ….LSU is number two in the country going into the sec tourney…All LSU does is win the tourney. Ok their reward for winning the toughest conference and the tourney is a three seed? This makes no sense at all. And apparently the commitee thinks Mark Kotsay and Phil Nevin are still playing for cal state fullerton…how do they get a higher seed? Its a joke.

Wow…2 of 9 conference series is enough to get in?

That is pathetic. UK won 4 of 10 series in the SEC and we didn’t even belong on the bubble…Let alone in the tournament. What a joke.

And Baylor…29-24…2-12 finish…C’mon now committee.

OK States non-conference schedule was very tough. They should be rewarded for not playing a bunch of patsies, plus had several rainout of winnable games. They have 2 future pro starters. they’ll be a tough draw.

sorry, but there’s no justification for ok state. 2 of 9 conference series is abysmal, and 9-16 for a conference record is terrible. You can’t tell me that Duke, who was 15-15 in conference with series wins against UNC and GT wouldn’t be a better choice (amongst many others) than ok state.

I think Baseball America’s coverage of college baseball it token at best until selection time then they want people to think they know what they are talking about. The selections have fit to form of what the committe has done for years and how they make their choices. Oklahoma with it’s choice last season which was called a joke proved it was worthy. Let’s wait and see what happens on the field.

Sic’em Bears!!!

I’m not mad that Oklahoma St and Baylor got in both were high RPI teams. Oklahoma St, 25, and Baylor at 31. I’m upset that they stopped one spot short and left out Auburn at 32. I understand the plight of the lower conferences that want to be represented but this has to do with the conference as a whole. When a team like Missouri St gets left out it is because their conference is no good. Look at teams like Elon, Georgia Southern and even Western Carolina that barely missed the cut, they get rewarded from time to time for playing a great schedule and beating good teams. If the teams in the conference beat good teams everyones RPI would have gone up.

The problem is further down the food chain. I feel that rewarding teams like Kansas, Washington St, George Mason and Cal Poly are the true mistakes. Team that do not play tough schedules whether in conference or out of conference should know that they have to win their conference tournament. Washington St has no tournament so they have to raise their RPI, they are out west there is not a lack of good teams to play.

In response to the ACC and SEC people not being able to complain about the Big 12…

Thats fine…As long as you provide a reason for any of the 8 SEC or 7 ACC teams in the field not deserving…

You people gripping over the order of the National Seeds need to get a grip. The actual number of your national seed makes no difference, the only important thing is you get one so you can play at home during the Supers.

Do you think #3 LSU has an easier road by potentially getting Rice in the Supers? Of course not it is simply that way to cut down travel expenses.

Cal-Polly not playing a tough schedule, Your kidding.
Just playing a western schedule is tough.

First, I’m a biased Wahoo and I do think UVa got a bad draw, but whatever the case the Cavs will have to win to get to the Super Regional, as will all the other teams.

Second, I couldn’t agree more that OK State seems like a bad choice, and that Baylor’s overrated status continues.

Third, we have to understand that the folks on these committees do have a tough job, but they did miss on 2 out of 64.

All that said, I take issue with comments like ‘the whole thing is political’ and ‘the selection committees are a joke.’ In what way do you mean it’s political? The fact is there’s a group of eight who have to come to some level of agreement on both the 64-team field and the seeding (whether unanimous or just a majority) – who’s scartching whose back here? Did Pat Murhphy say to Tim Weiser, “I’ll vote for Baylor getting in if you vote for ASU as a top 8″? Wouldn’t the other committee members step in and put a stop to that? Or do those who say it’s political contend that there are other deals being made?

I’d actually like to have some back and forth on this, because it’d be good to know what you mean by ‘political’

Just think if the MLB had the same committee putting the play-offs together… The whole play-offs would consist of the AL East! The Baltimore Orioles have the same argument for being in the play-off as OK State has for being in the NCAA tournament. Sad that the NCAA rewards the worst teams in a conference when even the players cannot feel good about the season that they have had. While on the other hand, teams like Rhode Island have done everything that they can do and feel great about their season only to get a kick in the shorts by the NCAA. Finally, the whole UVa seeding and bracket is a joke. If I’m not mistaking, UVa has been sent out west 3 of the last 4 years. I am a midwest guy fwiw.

Baylor although they struggled in the conference deserves to make the field. I would love to see this team play with its full potential, which has not happen this year. They played sort of like that in the Conference Touranament by beating #1. Texas, and a Kansas team, that I don’t think is all that great. They have one good power hitter in Tony Thompson, and that’s it, and a good arm in T.J. Walz. Oklahoma State getting in is beyond me. They did not qualify for the Big 12 Tournamant. If you do not qualify for your conference tourament your season should be over. Baylor and Oklahoma State were supposed to play a 3 game series in Stillwater early in conference play, but due to the poor drainage at Oklahoma State’s field the game was shortened to a 2 game series, in which both teams split the games. I think if that game was played, the loser does not make the NCAA Tournament.

I am not affiliated with anyone. I like college baseball. I am going to rant in the next few paragraphs.
The argument if you don’t make your conference tournament you shouldn’t get in the NCAA tournament is stupid.
How many teams make the Pac 10 tournament? What if the SEC only took 4 teams to there conference tournament? Should teams 5 through 12 not be allowed in the NCAA tournament because they didn’t make the conference tournament?
College athletics is run by ESPN. Why do you think San Diego St. is playing Virginia on prime time Friday night? Ratings.
San Diego St does not deserve to be in before San Jose St., Eastern Illinois, MO State, Rhode Island, etc.. They happen to have a freak of nature going on Friday.
Why is Western Ky. in the tournament? They won 3 non-conference road games.
The bottom line is Tim Weiser has got to put money in the ESPN – Big 12 bank. Until you put unbiased people on a commitee it has no credibility. The guy can’t stay and answer questions because he has to get to his kids game. That is unprofessional. He enjoys the paycheck from being head of the commitee I guarantee.
Do you think he loses sleep over ******** mid-majors over? The answer is no. He never heard the statement “you see the same people on the way up as you do on the way down.”
I would love to know his reaction if he was the AD at Austin Peay and they got screwed over like Eastern Illinois did? He forgot where he came from! Just my 2 cents.

You don’t reverse the season. So that right there is as dumb as including Baylor or OSU. Baylor played like garbage the last month, hanging their hat on PLAYING good teams, but evidently not beating them very often, lol. OSU winning a THIRD of their conference games is laughable.

yeah wu, how surprising that arizona state coach pat murphy has his sun devil’s in the easiest regional

and bears fan, missouri state had a chance to make it to regionals – win the valley tournament during the worst wichita state season under coach stephenson…you failed, you lose

Auburn? You finished tied for 10th in the SEC only ahead of Miss State…That is 2 spots out of the conference tournament…And very near last place…

As for the major conferences dominating the tournament selections, and “deserving” minor conference schools being left out:

Look, the fact of the matter is, all the talent is in the major conference schools. And nobody wants to see a top 20 team thrash the third-place team from the Penobscott River Valley Conference. Still, the NCAA gives automatic berths to the conference tournament champions of every conference, major or minor. So those conferences have their chances. If some po-dunk college wants a shot at taking on the big boys in a regional, all they have to do is win four straight games against the other po-dunk teams from their own po-dunk conference. And then they can lose 28-3 to a middle-of-the-pack SEC, ACC, or Big 12 school.

I agree Baylor and Oklahoma State don’t deserve to be in the tournament. And they will both most likely lose the first game (v Bama and Minnesota, respectively). But they’re gonna hang 10-run-rule victories (or would, if the 10-run-rule was in effect in the regionals) on Tenn Tech and Southern, two teams that only made the tournament because they won their conference tournaments, in the loser’s bracket. And that will prove that they are at least more “deserving” than Tenn Tech and Southern.

For those that think BU and OSU shouldn’t be in the tournament, whom would you replace them with? I assume you’d rather not see a team like Auburn, which finished ninth in the SEC, though Auburn is undoubtedly better than BU or OSU. So who will it be? A second- or third-place team from a p!ss-ant conference? Who wants to see the 45-2 demolition that the #1 seed in that regional is gonna put on such a team? Not me.

Tigerterrace…

You are telling me that a team like Washington State…who plays in the Pac-10, Got 2nd in the conference, and played teams like #22 at the time Arkansas, #16 at the time Oklahoma, #7 at the time Rice, Oral Roberts, Notre Dame, #17 at the time Pepperdine, Gonzaga, and Long Beach State…did not schedule tough teams to play?!?!? You are insane if you think differently. #4 Toughest schedule in the nation seems to fit a NCAA Tourney team’s schedule…don’t you think?

The top 8 seeds are not based in any way on ranking. #1 Texas does not mean they are the best of the top 8 seeds. Those of you that don’t get that should watch more baseball.

Baylor deserves to get in based on how they played the entire season. Yes, the late skid showed that they were not a shoe in, but with Freson State and Oregon State winning the CWS recently, I think it is safe to say that anything can happen in the post season. If your body of work indicates that you are worthy, as a result of the entire season, then you have just as much right as any of the team that gutted it out in a tough conference.

Craig,

It is the Big 12, but it’s not ignorance. Only 10 of the 12 Big 12 teams play baseball, which means Oklahoma State finished ninth in a 10-team league, you don’t count teams who don’t play the sport.

Suck it up boys the field is set. GO POKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“…Put down the gin and whisky bottles long enought to pay attention. Your non conference “greatness” or whatever you wanna call it, is CLEARLY and TOTALLY offset by TERRIBLE conference records…”

First of all, to everyone who so infuriated, get a grip. No one expected that Oklahoma State or Baylor would make this cut. As a fan of both teams, HALLELUJAH! You can hold any statistics over our heads that you like, criticize our performances or our seasonal ratings. We have had faith in these boys all season, watched them play and lose, but more importantly watched them play to win. And that’s what is going to happen in this tournament. These teams are not poor teams. These teams have had bad performances, many of them. BUT, they have the ability to go somewhere. So saying they are a joke is a little more than absurd and you will see that when you see us in the finals. GO POKES! & SIC ‘EM BEARS.

And to your gin/whiskey comment, real mature. Let’s not forget that 10 cowboys made the big 12 academic team, and at least 2 (if not 3) of OKstates players will be on the pro level in a couple of months.
Take your whiskey and gin and suck on that.

The RPI formula for college baseball is obviously flawed.

yeah wu, how surprising that arizona state coach pat murphy has his sun devil’s in the easiest regional

and bears fan, missouri state had a chance to make it to regionals – win the valley tournament during the worst wichita state season under coach stephenson…you failed, you lose
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Luke,
Hell Missouri State won 30 out if its last 40 and 9 out of its last 10 games. sweeping all 3 games we played against Wichita St in Wichita. In the MVC tourney, we won our first 2 games but lost the 3rd one to a pretty good Creighton team 7-6 in 10 innings (our only loss to them this year) and poof! The seasons over!

You will never convince me that this thing isnt corrupt, Ive seen it way to many times now at MSU and others that are just as deserving in both basketball and baseball year after year after year and it only gets worse.

I agree that intervention must come to the NCAA and the BCS or their own greed will ultimately take them down. It always does in the end. Hopefully sooner rather than later imo.

Kevin, no one who loses 12 of their last 14 deserves to be in the tourney. Tell me how you feel after Baylor gets eliminated by Southern.

I am from Rhode Island and it is a shame they got snubbed. They have a good squad won 37 games beat Oak St, Miami, and Ohio State all in the field. It is tough for teams from the cold weather states to play the big schools and get their RPI higher. I dont think you should be penalized for not winning your conference tournney. I can see teams from power conferences getting in with .500 records or slightly below in conference play, but Baylor and Oak St were not even close to .500 what a joke.

The following is from Monday’s Omaha World Herald

Weiser, a former Kansas State athletic director who now is the Big 12’s deputy commissioner, said Rhode Island was hurt by 12 losses to teams that had RPI rankings of 100 or higher and a nonconference strength of schedule in “the triple digits.’’

“Those are significant issues,’’ Weiser said.

Weiser wasn’t as decisive in trying to explain the lack of success either Baylor or Oklahoma State had in conference play. At one point during the call, he said playing tough teams is not enough to get a team into the tournament. Teams have to win games, too.

Neither Baylor nor Oklahoma State won with any consistency in league play. The Cowboys won just two of nine conference series and finished ninth in the regular season, a game ahead of last-place Nebraska at 9-16. Overall, Oklahoma State compiled a 32-22 record, received a No. 3 seed and was placed in the Clemson regional.

I love the Frank Anderson and Tim Weiser played at Emporia St talk. Is this true?
Kansas St. has really followed the rules of college athletics. Does anyone think Micheal Beasley picked Kansas St. because of the town? Did Bill Snyder turn football at KSU into a powerhouse because of his personality? Tim Weiser is all for cheating and winning.
All he has to do know is make people in the Big 12 office happy.
How could Pat Murphy be in the selection commitee war room? Didn’t Arizona St. play this weekend?

Trevor,
Ok State would not have won the A-10 tournament. They are not better than Xavier, Dayton, or Rhode Island.
This is what everyone needs to realize. The 4th best team in the Big 10 (Illinois) who had not been outside to practice before their first game at LSU(national seed) and beats them 2 out of 3.
Why does everyone thinks the SEC is so tough? Name the last time an SEC team visited a Big 10 team in baseball? If Michigan played every game at home like Miami(FL) they would have been in the regional the last 25 years.
The baseball tournament is a joke!

Pat Murphy was not in the war room, precisely for that reason, he was coaching his team. This has happened many times over the years with coaches on the committee; they have to call in rather than being in the room.

If Oklahoma State and Baylor don’t deserve to get in, then why did Fresno State last year? Fresno State played in a weaker conference and had a weaker nonconference schedule than OSU or Baylor. OSU will have many players from this years team get drafted and be successful pros.

GO POKES!!!!!!!!!! SIC’ EM BEARS!!!!!!!!!!

Division I baseball needs to go to a uniform March 1 start date across the board and limit teams to 36 regular-season games. That gives you 9 non-conference games and 27 conference games (9 three-game series in the Big 12, for example).

- Fewer games, no midweek traveling, and hopefully better academic performance for the teams.

- Quit playing horrendous midweek games and throw your “other” pitchers in live batting pracitce after school on a Tues or Wed.

- Uniform starting date more beneficial to northern teams and still ending the season by the end of May with NCAA tournamen in June.

- Gives northern teams the opportunity for a more balanced home/road schedule so their RPI is not skewed.

Finally, make at-large teams have overall and conference winning percentages OVER .500 to be up for consideration. We keep track of wins and losses for a reason boys.

So let me get this straight…Baseball America writers can make personal attacks on the committee (particularly its chairman), but people cannot post a comment doing the same?

Most college baseball fans have had a problem with Baseball America for a long time. Mainly because their rankings give little credit to deserving teams, and acts basically as a love fest for every traditional BCS power. Then they admonish the committee for doing the same thing. It’s called hypocracy, look it up BA.

The Committee is packed with BCS reps. Northern Schools should be represented. How did the Big East Conference only get the Conference Champion?There were at least 2 other teams that should of received bids. Rhode Island should have received an invitation. Geography must be adddressed, cold weather states must be given more weight and consideration, Committee members should have more expertise with the sport of baseball. Get baseball people on the Committee. It’s time for the American Baseball Coaches A’ssn to get involved, and stop the ridiculous granting of bids to below .500 teams, with 7 & 8 teams coming in from only very select Conferences & total lack of respect for winning records in the Conference or Conference Tourneys! The season needs to extend another week, or mid-week games must carry more weight. Last, but not least, tell the Committee that the game cannot be played in constant rain downpour. That does not take a rocket Scientist!

My only comment (bc i admit to not following college baseball other than my Horns) If you argue that they dont deserve to be there, please give me who does deserve to be there over Baylor and OSU.

Robert the bottom line is Tim Weiser is a bloody fool and has no clue at all. That Reigon was made for ESPN and thats about that. Weiser can talk all he wants about UVA’s non conference etc etc etc the bottom line is they have the number 6 RPI and had a rain out seris with Coastal Carolina that would have make it higher. He has no legs to stand on here, Irvine should have been higher then a 6 as well and RIU getting snubbed and Okla st getting in it’s all wrong wrong wrong. UVA should’ve got a 1 seed maybe not a National seed but a 1 for sure and if not a one a 2 close to home, they got wronged and wronged in a big way. Tim Weiser can yap all he wants the more he talks the more he looks like a fool. Good luck to all your teams fellas!

r hogan i actually disagree with you. asu doesnt have the easiest way in. they have kent state who had a great year at 42-15 and then if they win out there bracket they would have to beat clemson or alabama both acc and sec powerhouse teams. i believe kent state can beat asu after beating teams like penn state and ohio state both big ten powerhouse teams all though asu did have the better year so watch out for kent state or asu to win out and make their way too omaha

Oh give me a break. Where were you when OSU was being screwed by the committee repeatedly for three decades? Where were you for the last decade when other conferences like the SEC got more than their “fair share”? But the Big 12 gets its hand in the honey pot and suddenly everyone is up in arms? Cry me a river, hypocrits. While I don’t believe OSU should have been selected, ideally, they’re certainly nowhere near an egregious pick. They had a strong SOS, they had good numbers against good non-conference competition, and they had a strong RPI. They did what the committee has been saying it wanted. I’m not an OSU fan who’ll apologize for this or engage in self-flagellation here, but maybe if you want to go back and start dissecting the truly egregious behavior on the part of the committee for the past decade (or two), maybe then I’ll get on board with you. Until then you’re just another biased hack.

I think it is terrible that they let in OSU. Sending them back East Coast and now everybody is laughing at us because they beat Alabama and Clemson. How could they send somebody so bad. If they had sent a real good team then they could not laugh. Thanks Committee

Trevor, your previous comment was deleted for excessive use of derogatory epithets in regards to some mid-major teams. This is not a message board; you can voice your opinions (though I strongly disagree with you on just about everything), but please do so respectfully.